The $2M Solution At WR

DW Toys · Feb 7, 2020

Boomer B said:
I don’t think Michel has much trade value. RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL.

Tampa probably wouldn’t want to trade Evans but if they did it would be for a lot of draft capital. 1 and a 3 this year and a 2nd next.

One and three this year this Draft and a 2 nd next for a proven All Pro type wide receiver who's only 26 and has a three year contract that is going down every year?
Yes Please.
Where do we sign up?

Their #1 guy now is Godwin and they have resurrected Perriman (hmmm....Pats?). This opens up the CAP door to resign those two.

Maybe the temptation would be 1+3 in 2020 Draft plus 2nd in 2021 for both Evans and Howard? We are talking impact player plus perhaps a reclamation project that BB likes in Howard.

Cousin, you think Brady would be impressed if BB Drafts a WR in round one or in the third? Nyet!
DW Toys

Deus Irae · Feb 7, 2020

DW Toys said:
Cousin, BB does not light the world on fire Drafting WR. The FA market is fairly week.
Trade for OBJ? $16.75mm? He is still scary.

DW Toys

Beckham's cap (and yearly cash money, as they are the same, post-Giants trade) numbers from his current contract, if he were traded with no contract adjustment:

2020 - 14.25
2021 - 15.75
2022 - 15
2023 - 15

Odell Beckham Jr. Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Deus Irae · Feb 7, 2020

DW Toys said:
I have a blockbuster trade in mind that helps both Teams. The Bucs are at $79mm CAP space in 2020 with no QB in place. They need to continue the build under BA. My suggestions would be a "two-fer" .

Mike Evans has become the #2 WR in Tampa Bay. Chris Godwin had more catches and made the Pro Bowl.

Evans contract matches OBJ this year ($16.75mm) but goes down the next two (3 year contract in place). O.J. Howard is in the dog house and under his last year of contract there.

The Pats might have to spend $10mm for a Robbie Anderson or a Cobb or more$ !

Trade in this case works better.

Is our first rounder a good price to pay for Evans (who had twice the TDs as OBJ in 2019) and you recall the Rams gave us a first for Cooks who was good but not Evans?

I would propose Evans and Howard for our 1st and Sony Michel. Ronald Jones was their RB in 2019 and not the greatest. Michel had more yards. But we drafted Harris who was a bell cow at Alabama. He should know the McDaniels system by now.

If you're going to try offering trades to opponents, you have to offer trades that they might actually take. In what alternate universe would the Bucs make that deal? Also, Evan's 2020 money number, post-trade, would be

$16.75m

Mike Evans Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

So the cap money for Evans would be higher than for OBJ, this year ($14.25m).

DW Toys · Feb 9, 2020

Deus Irae said:
If you're going to try offering trades to opponents, you have to offer trades that they might actually take. In what alternate universe would the Bucs make that deal? Also, Evan's 2020 money number, post-trade, would be

$16.75m

Mike Evans Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

So the cap money for Evans would be higher than for OBJ, this year ($14.25m).

Perhaps. Look at the next two years. Cheap money and he's only 26.
DW Toys

Deus Irae · Feb 9, 2020

DW Toys said:
Perhaps. Look at the next two years. Cheap money and he's only 26.
DW Toys

The next two years aren't the important years. There will be plenty of money on the books for plenty of needed moves starting in 2021. The 2020 season is the one that has so many here crying about cap space. And Beckham's only 27 (11/5/92), which is less than a year older than Evans (8/21/93). Both receivers came from the 2014 draft.

DW Toys · Feb 15, 2020

Deus Irae said:
The next two years aren't the important years. There will be plenty of money on the books for plenty of needed moves starting in 2021. The 2020 season is the one that has so many here crying about cap space. And Beckham's only 27 (11/5/92), which is less than a year older than Evans (8/21/93). Both receivers came from the 2014 draft.

I don't know about this one. OBJ has that diva thing still. Evans does not. Evans is younger and like this year double the TDs of OBJ. The financials are close.
DW Toys

Quest4SevenHomie · Feb 15, 2020

KontradictioN said:
Isn’t the “who” part kind of important here?

That "who" is Antonio Brown. I thought we already established this.

carmelo15 · Feb 17, 2020

Trading for Cooper Kupp Would Be Perfect Offseason Move For Patriots

203Pat · Feb 17, 2020

carmelo15 said:
Trading for Cooper Kupp Would Be Perfect Offseason Move For Patriots

I’d love Cooper Kupp but I don’t know why they’d trade him.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 17, 2020

203Pat said:
I’d love Cooper Kupp but I don’t know why they’d trade him.

Because posters here want him.

primetime · Feb 17, 2020

carmelo15 said:
Trading for Cooper Kupp Would Be Perfect Offseason Move For Patriots

Maybe they'll throw in Aaron Donald too

Bourne Again Christian · Feb 17, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Because posters here want him.

I don’t know how the Rams wouldn’t trade him for Sanu straight up.
I mean they are clearly the same kind of player

lancerman · Feb 17, 2020

Let's be real. We are better off just hoping Edelman and Sanu are healthy and the Harry continues to develop. Maybe make one free agency play and draft a TE in the draft. We got burned because we made gambles on two guys with severe issues

carmelo15 · Feb 17, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Because posters here want him.

203Pat said:
I’d love Cooper Kupp but I don’t know why they’d trade him.

He’s a free agent after this year they have no money to pay him they have high paid players that they can’t cut for a while. Goff, Donald, Gurley and Cooks can’t be cut for 3-4 years and there all high paid players. They just traded two 1sts for Ramsey and he’s gonna be the highest paid CB after this season 15mill per is the highest CB right now. Are you guys expecting them to afford Kupp while paying those guys it’s next to impossible unless they don’t want any good players anywhere else on the field.

The point of that article which I agree with is to get a 1st and 3rd for a player you most likely will lose next year. They have Cooks/Woods at WR it’s not like they don’t have any weapons this is also a team that doesn’t have a 1st round pick for 2 years.

203Pat · Feb 17, 2020

carmelo15 said:
He’s a free agent after this year they have no money to pay him they have high paid players that they can’t cut for a while. Goff, Donald, Gurley and Cooks can’t be cut for 3-4 years and there all high paid players. They just traded two 1sts for Ramsey and he’s gonna be the highest paid CB after this season 15mill per is the highest CB right now. Are you guys expecting them to afford Kupp while paying those guys it’s next to impossible unless they don’t want any good players anywhere else on the field.

The point of that article which I agree with is to get a 1st and 3rd for a player you most likely will lose next year. They have Cooks/Woods at WR it’s not like they don’t have any weapons this is also a team that doesn’t have a 1st round pick for 2 years.

They would save around $5 mill to cut Gurley who looks like he’s close to done. They can release Woods after this upcoming season and they save about $8 million on the cap. For Cooks they also have potential out clause at the end of the upcoming season and with his concussion issues I’d assume he’s gone. They have a lot of high salaries but as always with the cap there are ways to manipulate the numbers. Kupp has been their most consistent offensive weapon and is the safety valve for a QB they (not so wisely) dumped a ton of money into. I would love for Kupp to end up in a Patriot uniform but they’d be fools to get rid of him to keep some of the other bloated salaries they have.

Triumph · Feb 18, 2020

Its a deep WR draft.

Rookie WRs play on the cheap. Its just a matter of finding 2 guys who are not BUSTs. I dont want to go into another season hoping that Harry is the answer. I hated the pick from the beginning and Harry has proven to be big and slow like a plow horse. Size 15 shoes.

How about some fleet of foot quick get open players who are a threat after the catch?

mgteich · Feb 18, 2020

Triumph said:
Its a deep WR draft.

Rookie WRs play on the cheap. Its just a matter of finding 2 guys who are not BUSTs. I dont want to go into another season hoping that Harry is the answer. I hated the pick from the beginning and Harry has proven to be big and slow like a plow horse. Size 15 shoes.

How about some fleet of foot quick get open players who are a threat after the catch?

Harry's shoe size is smaller than Gronk's.

The $2M Solution At WR

DW Toys

In the Starting Line-Up

Deus Irae

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

Deus Irae

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

DW Toys

In the Starting Line-Up

Deus Irae

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

DW Toys

In the Starting Line-Up

Quest4SevenHomie

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

carmelo15

In the Starting Line-Up

203Pat

Pro Bowl Player

Ice_Ice_Brady

I heard 10,000 whispering and nobody listening

primetime

Pro Bowl Player

Bourne Again Christian

Hall of Fame Poster

lancerman

Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

carmelo15

In the Starting Line-Up

203Pat

Pro Bowl Player

Triumph

Hall of Fame Poster

mgteich

PatsFans.com Veteran

Similar threads