BGC 2020 S/PTP Thread

Ochmed Jones · Feb 10, 2020

sircole said:

Winfield’s injury history is extensive. His speed is questionable.

a good combine and he could make himself a lot of money.

sircole · Feb 11, 2020

sircole · Feb 12, 2020

2020 NFL Draft: Grant Delpit and the perils of the hype monster

But it is when the tackling aspect of Delpit’s game comes up that the questions arise. As a safety, tackling is enormous. Notably, though, for Delpit, who has a skillset designed for versatility in the modern NFL. He could be used as a chess piece, but the tackling issues are going to make him less likely to play down in the box. And even where he likely fits best, as a single-high safety, Delpit is going to be the last line of the defense when someone misses their run fit or a big passing play happens, and he is the only one in range to make a play. He missed 20 tackles in 2019, and the tackling woes are naturally going to scare some teams away.

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Ochmed Jones · Feb 13, 2020

sircole said:
2020 NFL Draft: Grant Delpit and the perils of the hype monster

2020 NFL Draft: Grant Delpit and the perils of the hype monster | PFN

this guy misses a lot of tackles.

didn’t bb once say he would draft defensive players That can’t tackle?

patsfanfromoversea · Feb 14, 2020

Ochmed Jones said:
this guy misses a lot of tackles.

didn’t bb once say he would draft defensive players That can’t tackle?

I don't know.
Maybe he thinks that he can solve his tackling issues. Besides of this, Delpit could be our Chung Replacement regarding Run Defense and Coverage Skills.

Snooky97 · Feb 14, 2020

Delpit did suffer injuries this season that affected his ability to tackle. His range is better than he gets credit for.

sircole · Feb 14, 2020

No, Grant Delpit has tackling issues.

They were there in LSU second game of the season at Texas, especially against Devin Duvernay, and he wasn't injured before that game because the week before they were going half-speed demolishing Georgia Southern in their opener.

The issues were also present in his 2018 stats and he wasn't injured then either.

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Now he can clean them up, but tackling is a consistent weakness of his.

Snooky97 · Feb 14, 2020

sircole said:
No, Grant Delpit has tackling issues.

They were there in LSU second game of the season at Texas, especially against Devin Duvernay, and he wasn't injured before that game because the week before they were going half-speed demolishing Georgia Southern in their opener.

The issues were also present in his 2018 stats and he wasn't injured then either.

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Now he can clean them up, but tackling is a consistent weakness of his.

Even though there is an issue with it, I still think he’s worth it. Tackling issues can be sorted. His ankle plagued him and made a difference

sircole · Feb 14, 2020

Snooky97 said:
Even though there is an issue with it, I still think he’s worth it. Tackling issues can be sorted. His ankle plagued him and made a difference

He could still be worth a pick, but at what draft capital cost?

For me, #23 in the first round is too much for a safety with tackling issues.

sircole · Feb 19, 2020

sircole · Mar 2, 2020

2020 NFL Scouting Combine winners/losers: S

Jeremy Chinn, S, Southern Illinois

Chinn earned this spot over fellow non-FBS safety prospect Kyle Dugger (Lenoir-Rhyne) due to a superior performance during on-field drills. Chinn has a thick build (6-3, 221), but his hips were fluid and he adjusted to the ball well in the air. He extended away from his body to grab passes, as well. I think Chinn might have hit his head on the Lucas Oil Stadium roof with a 41-inch vertical (just behind Dugger's 42-inch jump) and his 11-6 broad jump tied for second best among all 2020 combine participants. He also ran an impressive 4.45 40. Chinn's game film and work at the Senior Bowl in January were appreciated by scouts, too, but I think he gained a few more fans with his Indy workout.

K'Von Wallace, S, Clemson

There is always strong competition among safeties looking for coveted Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) draft slots. Wallace's tape is good enough to earn him a draft slot in that range, and I believe he cemented a Day 2 spot with his work in Indy. His 4.53 40 at 206 pounds was solid and he also jumped well (38-inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump). He was the most polished safety in defensive back drills, in terms of transitioning from backpedal to forward motion. Wallace didn't catch every pass thrown his way but snatched enough for me to say he had a positive day.

Geno Stone, S, Iowa

A solid player for the Hawkeyes, Stone entered the draft as a junior. While NFL scouts knew he was not tall (5-10 3/8), they did not necessarily expect the below-average length (29 1/4 arms, 71-inch wingspan). Despite the shorter arms, Stone only managed 12 reps on the bench press. His 4.62 40 and jump results (33.5-inch vertical, 9-8 broad jump) won't help him. Stone had a hard time transitioning during drills due to stiff hips, as well. He did make a nice high-point catch on a deep pass, though.

Ochmed Jones · Mar 2, 2020

sircole said:
2020 NFL Scouting Combine winners/losers: S

Jeremy Chinn, S, Southern Illinois

K'Von Wallace, S, Clemson

Geno Stone, S, Iowa

chinn’s tape is really impressive, I would be happy if after a red shirt year, he replaces Chung.

miloofcroton · Mar 3, 2020

Ochmed Jones said:
chinn’s tape is really impressive, I would be happy if after a red shirt year, he replaces Chung.

This is just a hunch, but I think they'd rather get two free safeties than commit to another guy who's a bit of a liability in coverage. I look at the Chiefs' safety duo as an example for what I mean.

Ochmed Jones · Mar 3, 2020

miloofcroton said:
This is just a hunch, but I think they'd rather get two free safeties than commit to another guy who's a bit of a liability in coverage. I look at the Chiefs' safety duo as an example for what I mean.

bb plays a pattern matching cover 3 defense. The deep safety is the most important position on the defense and responsible for a lot of communication.
The beauty of his defense is the safeties are interchangeable, as long as they can tackle.

So I think it is possible he could go with two free safeties one day, but they better be good tacklers with high courage for it.

miloofcroton · Mar 3, 2020

Ochmed Jones said:
bb plays a pattern matching cover 3 defense. The deep safety is the most important position on the defense and responsible for a lot of communication.
The beauty of his defense is the safeties are interchangeable, as long as they can tackle.

So I think it is possible he could go with two free safeties one day, but they better be good tacklers with high courage for it.

What I mean is that they prefer two CB/S hybrids, not one pure CB/S and one S/LB. As slow as Chung is, he really is sort of a CB/S hybrid. He's played a lot of CB in his day.

miloofcroton · Mar 4, 2020

Just got done with the safeties at the combine. Lots of unimpressive people. McKinney, Chinn, Dugger to name a few guys that get lots of talk. Sure, they aren't going to look as good playing against air as they are contact players, but it still needs to be said.

I'm carrying over Troy Pride and Essang Bassey as FS prospects that I like. You can add K'Von Wallace to this list; solid but unspectacular.

JR Reed is my top S. Looks like an Eddie Jackson back there. True centerfielder.

BaconGrundleCandy · Apr 25, 2020

BaconGrundleCandy said:
Same deal as other threads. S/PTP discussion/breakdown. Should get some serious consideration considering the age & depth we have.

Tier 1
Grant Delpit 6'3/205 - LSU

Xavier McKinney 6'1/200 - Alabama

James Wiggins 6'/205 - Cincinnati

Isaiah Simmons 6'2/230 - Clemson

JR Reed 6'/195 - Georgia

Reed Blankenship 6'1/195 - MTSU

Jordan Fuller 6'2/205 - OSU

Tier 2
Richie Grant 6'/195 - UCF

Tariq Thompson 6'/200 - San Diego St

Brandon Jones 6'/205 - Texas

Greg Eisworth 6'/200 - Iowa St

Antoine Winfield Jr 5'10/205 - Minnesota

Khaleke Hudson 6'/220 - Michigan

Damar Hamlin 6'1/195 - Pittsburgh

Nigel Warrior 6'/190 - Tennessee

Hamsah Nasirildeen 6'4/215 - FSU

Daniel Thomas 5'11/210 - Auburn

Quentin Lake 6'/185 - UCLA

Joey Blount 6'1/190 - Virginia

JR Pace 6"1/200 - Northwestern

Alohi Gilman 5'11/205 - Notre Dame

Tanner Muse 6'1/230 - Clemson

Myles Dorn 6'2/210 - N. Carolina

Tier 3
Todd Harris Jr 5'11/185 - LSU

Garrett Davis 6'2/210 - Houston

Eric Burrell 6'/190 - Wisconsin

Josh Metellus 6'/205 - Michigan

Myles Woolfolk 6'/195 - N. Carolina

Deontay Anderson 6'/220 - Houston

Jarius Morehead 6'1/220 - NC State

Kenny Robinson Jr 6'2/200 - West Virginia

Kekoa Nawahine 6'2/210 - Boise St

Robert Barnes 6'2/210 - OK

K’Von Wallace 5'11/210 - Clemson

Antoine Brooks Jr 5'11/210 - Maryland

Tier 4
Ashtyn Davis 6'1/190 - California

Mikial Onu 5'11/205 - Colorado

Jeremiah Dinson 6'/190 - Auburn

David Dowell 6'1/195 - Michigan St

Reggie Floyd 6'/220 - Virginia Tech

Desmond Franklin 6'/200 - App St

Jaylinn Hawkins 6'2/205 - California

Shamad Lomax 6'/205 - New Mexico St

Jalen Elliott 6'1/205 - Notre Dame

Innis Gaines 6'2/205 - TCU

Austin Hall 6'2/215 - Memphis

Romeo Finley 6'1/215 - Miami

Myles Hartsfield 5'11/210 - Ole Miss

Jared Mayden 6'/200 - Alabama

Patrick Nelson 6'1/205 - SMU

DQ Thomas 5'10/200 - Southern Miss

Brody Hoying 5'11/205 - East Michigan

Hasan Defense 5'11/185 - Kansas

B-/C+

bakes781 · Apr 25, 2020

I know we drafted Dugger, but J.R. Reed is still available.

captain stone · Apr 27, 2020

Ducking Fugger better not have been drafted to play feckin Safety...

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