Frank Clark: Patriots Dynasty Dead...Chiefs "New Dynasty"

archstanton543 said:

The AFC does suck compared to the NFC. It's just that the top 2-3 teams in the AFC are better than the top 5-6 teams in the NFC.

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The AFC is, currently, a one team conference. That team is the Chiefs. Tell me where Brady, and the other impending free agents in the league, end up, and maybe I'll believe that's changed.

The Chiefs have as many postseason wins vs the Patriots as the number of brain cells Frank Clark possesses - 0.

History is strongly against either the Chiefs or 49ers even making the SB next year. Not impossible, but history says the odds are long. Outside of the Pats, the Seahawks are the only team to go back I think during the last 20 years.

Tony2046 said:

That and Mahomes will be taking up significantly more of the salary cap soon. .

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When?

I said this to Seattle 6 years ago
I said this to Denver 4 years ago
I said this to Philadelphia 2 years ago
I am saying it today to Kansas City:

You think you're at the start of a dynasty? Well, you boys are about to find out just how rigged the system is to punish the high achievers. Your players are all going to want more money but you can't pay 'em all. Your assistant coaches will scatter throughout the league. You pick last in the draft.

XLIX said:

I said this to Seattle 6 years ago
I said this to Denver 4 years ago
I said this to Philadelphia 2 years ago
I am saying it today to Kansas City:

You think you're at the start of a dynasty? Well, you boys are about to find out just how rigged the system is to punish the high achievers. Your players are all going to want more money but you can't pay 'em all. Your assistant coaches will scatter throughout the league. You pick last in the draft.

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On top of that, if they do happen to have some sort of sustained success (wont be anything like the Pats over the last 2 decades), they will find out very quickly how much other teams / fans really "love" you. Like I said in an earlier reply, it is a whole different mindset when you become the "hunted".

Tony2046 said:

That and Mahomes will be taking up significantly more of the salary cap soon. Right now he's at approximately 700k iirc.

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Things that not only the fans and media tend to overlook, but apparently the players too. Remember when the Seahawks were going to be good for the next decade? Then they had to pay Russel Wilson and suddenly couldn't afford the legion of Boom anymore?

Its unreal, that people haven't figured this out yet, or at least keep falling for it. Team x (06 Chargers and 13 Seahawks come to mind) has a great draft that happens to include a true franchise QB, in year 2 & 3 of that draft they are either very good and go deep in the playoffs, causing the fans and media to anoint them, but ultimately fall short of a SB victory or the SB all together (Chargers). QB gets paid and then suddenly they are still a playoff caliber team, but not the super bowl caliber team they were thought to be prior to the QB eating 35% of the salary cap. Or like the Hawks they win the SB go back to another one and lose and then the ride is over, becoming just another team that pushes into the playoffs with a shot.

The Chiefs are now at the point where they are probably forced to renegotiate Mahomes. He just finished his 3rd year and I can't imagine he will be playing for his current salary when he takes his first snap of the season in 2020. Which will be interesting to watch, does Mahomes take a team friendly deal to maximize the talent on the roster or does he try to break the bank. From the way he seems to handle himself, I think he tries to middle it. But I can't imagine an argument, other than "hey look at how Brady handled contracts" the Chiefs could make to keep him from being the highest paid QB in the league.

That is my biggest fear about paying Brady so much this year and next (assuming the new CBA won't drastically up the Cap).

how are those Eagles, Seahawks or Ravens dynastys working out

This clown won’t be on the team after mahomes is paid

I think it's good for us to realize how insufferable the Pats have been all these years -- we're now on the receiving end. No fun at all!

Fortunately, these things have a way of working themselves out. Only one team ends up in the AFC Championship Gave over and over again. This year has been a huge aberration!

Somewhere I heard this before....

SB36 I think.

Deus Irae said:

Patriots fans - The AFC sucks
Patriots fans - Lamar Jackson is a gimmick who gets figured out in the playoffs
Patriots fans - The Patriots need to let Brady go and rebuild



Also Patriots fans - KC isn't going to be a dynasty, because .... ???

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I am not following here what's your point?

neuronet said:

When?

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My guess is during the next off-season.

A Defiant Goose said:

I am not following here what's your point?

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I'm just going to assume you're kidding with this.

With McCarthy, Rodgers, and thoZe weapunz, it’s impossible for them not to win it all every year.

I actually think the Chiefs will be very good for a long time. There is definitely a chance they will be "the team of the decade" for the 2020s. If you had to rank the teams with that potential would you put anyone above them?

That said, as we know it is very hard to win multiple titles (and let's be clear, you need 3 in 6 years, let's say, to earn the "Dynasty" label, but feel free to quibble with that).

The Patriots were the best team overall from 2005 to 2013 with the best QB in the league (give or take depending on the season) but won 0 titles. Often when we lost it was due to one play going wrong (06, 07, 11) or an injury (08 Brady, 11 Gronk). The Chiefs could be the best team of the 2020s but have those things go wrong too. As other people have said you also have to master the cap, not have too much dead $ on it, probably stop giving out such high contracts to your WRs (Watkins, LOL).

It's freaking HARD to have a sustained run. The question is will KC be like the Pats starting in 01 or like the Seahawks in the 2010s, where you're in it every year but often not good enough to win it all.

Frank Clark can talk all he wants but I say there's about a 25% chance that the Chiefs win two more titles in the next five years and earn the dynasty label. Also if the Pats win next year then we extend our current dynasty (4 out of 7) and the Chiefs win doesn't count; they have to start over because by definition you can't have overlapping dynasties

TB_Helmet said:

I actually think the Chiefs will be very good for a long time. There is definitely a chance they will be "the team of the decade" for the 2020s. If you had to rank the teams with that potential would you put anyone above them?

That said, as we know it is very hard to win multiple titles (and let's be clear, you need 3 in 6 years, let's say, to earn the "Dynasty" label, but feel free to quibble with that).

The Patriots were the best team overall from 2005 to 2013 with the best QB in the league (give or take depending on the season) but won 0 titles. Often when we lost it was due to one play going wrong (06, 07, 11) or an injury (08 Brady, 11 Gronk). The Chiefs could be the best team of the 2020s but have those things go wrong too. As other people have said you also have to master the cap, not have too much dead $ on it, probably stop giving out such high contracts to your WRs (Watkins, LOL).

It's freaking HARD to have a sustained run. The question is will KC be like the Pats starting in 01 or like the Seahawks in the 2010s, where you're in it every year but often not good enough to win it all.

Frank Clark can talk all he wants but I say there's about a 25% chance that the Chiefs win two more titles in the next five years and earn the dynasty label. Also if the Pats win next year then we extend our current dynasty (4 out of 7) and the Chiefs win doesn't count; they have to start over because by definition you can't have overlapping dynasties

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Love the last line.

Deus Irae said:

I'm just going to assume you're kidding with this.

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They're all just individually homeristic takes that can all be "true" at once what am I missing here?

Deus Irae said:

Patriots fans - The AFC sucks
Patriots fans - Lamar Jackson is a gimmick who gets figured out in the playoffs
Patriots fans - The Patriots need to let Brady go and rebuild

Also Patriots fans - KC isn't going to be a dynasty, because .... ???

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The issue is can you predict a dynasty. I doubt anyone after 2001 would have predicted a Pats dynasty... let alone a mega-dynasty. It’s not a dynasty until it’s a dynasty.

If that happens for KC, I shall tip my cap. But tip my cap to a “gonna be” dynasty? Nope. Too many of those on the scrap heap. It is a ludicrous statement, so I can see why you used your little laughing guy.

That is what you were laughing at, right?

If there was any recent sb team I would have thought was even worthy of ‘potential dynasty’ talk it was the 2013 seahawks. They never made it back, having to finally pay Wilson was a factor. Chiefs will have the same problem soon and I wouldn’t be suprised if they dont win again for a while even though Mahomes will keep them in the hunt.