Jimmy Garoppolites appreciation thread

Kdo5 · Feb 3, 2020

festy1986 said:
Absolutely. By miles.

Also better than 2020 brady.

Ask Jimmy to throw to Jacobi "cant understand hand signals" Meyers, Phillip "Blazing Speed" Dorsett and freaking Ryan Izzo and you'll see how trash he'd be.

Jimmy G is an OK QB. Thank God we don't have to listen to the Fraudoppolites tell us we let go of the Chosen One anymore. Jimbo will be available to us soon enough if we want him back.

Tunescribe · Feb 3, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I like Jimmy G and wish the Pats could have figured out a way to keep him, but not by moving on from Brady, so it was almost impossible.

That said, @Tony2046 does make a valid point here. The constant discussion was about Brady’s abilities under the highest pressure situation, while you really didn’t know what was in store for JG.

I’m sure he isn’t a straight up choker and is capable of winning, but there may not be a better example than today of why you don’t annoint a guy and assume he can achieve great things until he’s actually run the gauntlet. That was a bad loss. Hope he gets another crack it it.

Anyone who claims that Garoppolo "choked the game away" tonight simply is wrong. He played well overall but certainly not well enough with the game on the line after the 49ers defense failed to hold. Still quite young in terms of experience, the jury's still out on what he has to offer.

IcyPatriot · Feb 3, 2020

Tunescribe said:
Anyone who claims that Garoppolo "choked the game away" tonight simply is wrong. He played well overall but certainly not well enough with the game on the line after the 49ers defense failed to hold. Still quite young in terms of experience, the jury's still out on what he has to offer.

I agree ... choking the game away is not what he did.
He just choked under pressure in the 4th quarter.
The defense is mostly to blame for the loss.

Patstastic · Feb 3, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Brady and Mahomes. Sometimes it’s that simple.

And Kyle Shanahan. The gift that keeps on giving.

Joker · Feb 3, 2020

with his stature on the short side, I'd want him to be much more mobile, ala Russell Wilson, than he is. You're right though, still have to wait to really see what he offers in the future. He made it this far, albeit with a solid running attack and great playmaking DL. I think Lynch was disappointed more about his head coach tonight than the QB

Tunescribe · Feb 3, 2020

IcyPatriot said:
I agree ... choking the game away is not what he did.
He just choked under pressure in the 4th quarter.
The defense is mostly to blame for the loss.

He didn't come through under pressure but it's hard to assess what constitutes "choking" in that situation vs. simply getting beat. I think it was more the Chiefs defense rising to the occasion than JG crapping the bed but I guess it depends on what kind of lens one wants to look through. It's a team game after all, not just one guy.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Feb 3, 2020

I don’t think jimmy g is nothing special but we shall see. The 49ers had chances to put this one away. I think tonight was a combination of jimmy g and coaching. Any idea who was covering kittle? You have to find ways to get that guy the ball!

NYCPATS4LIFE · Feb 3, 2020

Tunescribe said:
He didn't come through under pressure but it's hard to assess what constitutes "choking" in that situation vs. simply getting beat. I think it was more the Chiefs defense rising to the occasion than JG crapping the bed but I guess it depends on what kind of lens one wants to look through. It's a team game after all, not just one guy.

That’s bull! He looked scared in that moment and the chiefs saw that. He missed a makeable throw to sanders and he stared down his wideouts. Did you not see that? I mean come on now.

IcyPatriot · Feb 3, 2020

Tunescribe said:
He didn't come through under pressure but it's hard to assess what constitutes "choking" in that situation vs. simply getting beat. I think it was more the Chiefs defense rising to the occasion than JG crapping the bed but I guess it depends on what kind of lens one wants to look through. It's a team game after all, not just one guy.

IMO ... when the game becomes to fast for a player then that is a choke.
I always thought that as a fan ... then got heavily involved in coaching soccer.
Coached at a decent high level ... some big games - they sped up for me at first.
First I experienced it ... and it confirmed my opinion on choking - I choked a few times.
It's not a bad thing IMO for a novice ... a veteran well there's less to forgive there.

Tunescribe · Feb 3, 2020

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
That’s bull! He looked scared in that moment and the chiefs saw that. He missed a makeable throw to sanders and he stared down his wideouts. Did you not see that? I mean come on now.

You must have an incredible television set.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Feb 3, 2020

Tunescribe said:
You must have an incredible television set.

Serviceable QB but never will be elite. I think he’s with guys like dak prescott and kirk cousins.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 3, 2020

I’m telling you guys, this criticism about staring down receivers and rolling out...these are designed as part of Shanahan’s system.

TheRainMaker · Feb 3, 2020

9ers gimmick offense ran out of tricks. I do like their play designs, but they can’t be their primary plays.

Their interior OL needs to get better. Their C snaps out of the shotgun have been terrible all year. They need a game changing WR. Jimmy needs to work on his throws and arm strength. He throws a lot of ducks.

Tunescribe · Feb 3, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I’m telling you guys, this criticism about staring down receivers and rolling out...these are designed as part of Shanahan’s system.

But he was scared don'tcha know, and the Chiefs saw that.

TheRainMaker · Feb 3, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I’m telling you guys, this criticism about staring down receivers and rolling out...these are designed as part of Shanahan’s system.

Former QB’s have echoed this. The plays are designed to go to that player Jimmy is staring down.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 3, 2020

Tunescribe said:
But he was scared don'tcha know, and the Chiefs saw that.

Yeah, I think that’s a reach. He didn’t play a great game down the stretch. I don’t know how much is JG and how much Shanahan. Probably both.

TheRainMaker · Feb 3, 2020

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Yeah, I think that’s a reach. He didn’t play a great game down the stretch. I don’t know how much is JG and how much Shanahan. Probably both.

That second to last drive for the 49ers was crucial when the Chiefs cut it to 20-17. 9ers flat out couldn’t respond.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 3, 2020

TheRainMaker said:
Former QB’s have echoed this. The plays are designed to go to that player Jimmy is staring down.

Shanahan’s system is really rigid. He used analytics to isolate the likely advantage for the 49ers to target. That’s why JG on the Patriots was scanning the field and on the Niners is aware before the snap where them all is going, or sometime as an A/B decision. Matt Ryan was the same way in 2016. The problem is that total control for Shanahan might be problematic because sometimes you’re better off with the QB having more decision making.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Feb 3, 2020

The guy has a deer in a headlights look. I don’t think he will be anything special where he wins multiple Super Bowls. Can he win a super bowl? Absolutely but he will need a lot of things to go right. The 49ers cap situation is interesting. They have some key free agents after tonight and kittle will want to get paid and rightfully so. He has one year left in his deal.

QuantumMechanic · Feb 3, 2020

203Pat said:
If that’s the case then those people are the idiots. Brady was midway through an MVP season en route to a Super Bowl appearance, followed up by a Super Bowl win the following year. To argue they should’ve given that up for the unknown is preposterous. I love Jimmy and think he may end up with a ring but I don’t think his career ever amounts to anything in the same stratosphere as Brady.

There's no way they should have traded Brady in 2017. The real question is if back in 2016 they should have extended Brady form 2017 to 2019. If they hadn't, they would have had the option to have Brady play out 2017 and then move to JG in 2018. So the proper comparison (whichever way you come down) is Brady in 2018 and beyond vs JG in NE in 2018 and beyond.

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