$30m for Brady as per Rap

ensoul said:

Kraft is willing to pay him that I doubt belichick wants that.

Regardless he takes 30 million dollars a year that's no money for tight ends receivers or an offensive line.

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Then can someone tell me how everyone else does it? We’ve been lucky Brady hasn’t demanded that money for 20 years.

can’t wait for Mahomes contract. 200m? And they will retain Kelsey, Hill, etc.

Have the reports about it being a one year deal changed?

My understanding is the Patriots will “extend themselves” financially to get Brady back in the fold. Whether that means they’ll go “in excess of $30M” as Ian Rapoport from NFL Media reported Sunday morning is unknown. Presumably, that’s in excess of a $30M salary in 2020 which would be up from his $23M in 2019.

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That would be a leap, especially since there would likely be $6.75M
in dead money from Brady’s voided deal added on to the $30M,
bringing his cap number to $36.75M in that scenario

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Curran: Patriots will extend to keep Brady

It feels like the unofficial embargo the NFL has on other teams during superbowl season is about to blow sky high here.

**** about to get real

IcyPatriot said:

Curran: Patriots will extend to keep Brady

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It was reiterated to me, however, that this isn’t about the money for Brady. It’s about appreciation for what he’s done and can still do.

To me, this is the most overlooked factor. Failing to extend him last year was hugely insulting. And if they think he’s just another player, we’ll, that’s what this free agency is about to expose. He isn’t.

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It was indicated to me that this is for Bill Belichick and Brady to work out for themselves. When the Patriots agreed last August to not use the franchise tag on Brady in 2020, that was to ensure that any decision Brady made to stay was of his own volition. Why keep him against his will? He’s earned the right to decide to stay or leave if that’s what he wants.

It was reiterated that this decision – like the call to trade Jimmy Garoppolo in 2017 – is one that will ultimately be Belichick’s. There’s a presumption that owner Robert Kraft will swoop down from the rafters and overrule Belichick if the head coach decides it’s time to move on from Brady. That belief is fed by the lie that won’t die, the urban legend that Kraft forced the Garoppolo trade.

That didn’t happen and nothing’s really been done to correct the record.

zipster9 said:

According to Miguel Benzan's 2020 cap page at the Boston Sports Journal, if you count Brady's number toward 2020, the Patriots are left with just over $21 million in cap space. That's with key pieces like Devin McCourty, Joe Thuney, and Kyle Van Noy also headed for the open market. In the case of Thuney and Van Noy, their markets should be large.

Rapoport also says Brady is really going to want a "commitment from [the Patriots] that they will specifically spend on weapons."

NOTE: This is the KEY --> Brady is asking for WEAPONS. Not JAGS!

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Trading back for Cooks could make sense.
Sign AJ Green this is if Tom is back
A reformed Antonio Brown
and sign 2 new tight ends is what t

50-yard-line said:

You'd trade the DPOY - at corner, no less - to save 3 million $$$ and eat a 15million dead cap hit?

I don't get this logic.

Stephon Gilmore

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for A first and second or 2 firsts yes

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

How do we know this isn’t a one year deal with a base of $18M and $12M in unlikely incentives? Teams frequently leak stuff like this for propaganda. Don’t you think if this was a multi-year deal, the source would also include that, and anything else that’s favorable about the contract for Brady? The article says “$30M per year”. Seems intentionally worded to mislead.

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"know"? Obviously, we can't "know" anything until the contract is signed. And, yes, I believe that $30M is a likely number that is being offered for Brady's 2020 services.

The actual length of the contract means little; I would presume 3 years. Consider a 3 year contract that has a $40M option clause due on the first day of the 2021 season. That is effectively
a 1 -year contract.

A contract might include a $24M bonus, 3 years, and a $6M salary. The 2020 cap hit would be $20.75M. Sure, the conditions and the amounts for the 2nd a 3rd year could be almost anything, making the contract effectively a 1-year, 2-year or 3-year contract.

Alternatively, the compensation to Brady might be $33M, increasing the bonus by $3M and the cap hit to $21.75M.

I think that we confuse the compensation that Brady gets for his 2020 services with the 2020 cap hit.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Some of the issue seems to be with him, no doubt, in how his expectations of younger players is unrealistic. I also think it’s been 20 years and the EP offense might need another look. Is it really necessary to still run a system like this with all the built in advantages you have in the passing game? You need guys with dual PhDs in game theory and geometry to get open? Other teams seems to be doing just fine with “athletic freak” WRs. People will point to the Patriots success as an offense from 2010-17/18?, but having Gronkowski and Edelman have been the key. They have still struggled to develop and/or maximize new receivers outside of a few core guys. It sure helped having a Hall of Fame tight end and insanely talented receiver like Edelman.

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AB is dumber than hell, but took to the EP offense like fish to water. In that regard, I'm not sure I'd subscribe to the notion that the EP needs another look (i.e., water down) or further refinement.

It's always been a crapshoot as to who flourishes in our version of the EP; both smart and dumb players have excelled in it, and also both smart and dumb people have failed in it.

To me, the biggest problem this past season was that the coaching staff vastly underestimated what Gronk's absence did to the offense- they did not do enough to adequately replace him, in terms of the caliber of talent, as well as trying to substantially evolve away from featuring the move TE so prominently in the game plan, as far as motion, alignment, as well as depending on it too much to win the numbers game in blocking (big fail). As it was, we had mediocre TE's trying to take on the $ or star, losing that battle 9 out of 10 times.

We also had a run of bad luck- losing Devlin, Gordon, and on top of that, AB going psycho on us at the worse possible time.

festy1986 said:

Find me a better QB with a better chance of winning next year than Brady if you're gonna tell me you're letting brady walk before you pay him what hes worth.

Alot of people showing their true colors.

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I agree that Brady gives NE the best chance to win in 2020. My question : is that the goal of the 2020 Patriots ? I’m not in practice. Maybe, even though Brady does indeed give them the best chance to win, sees that their “best is similar to this season”. A VG team that doesn’t have what it takes to win it all.

If BB thinks they have another run as constituted (with a few tweaks), do your possible to sign Brady. If BB thinks he’s looking at a 10-6 season and an early playoff exit, then maybe it’s time to rebuild.

I don't believe it.

Regardless of whatever team he ends up on ... Is he going to recommit or skip otas?

All this says to me is that Brady isn't re-signing here until March 16 at the earliest. So we can ignore the noise for another month or so

ScottishPatriots said:

I don't know how you could possibly expect the team and weapons to get better paying Brady $30m, looks like another fringe playoff team coming back next year if they pay Brady that.

They would be paying Brady for what he's done than what he's going to do, totally what bad teams do.

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The 49ers are in the Super Bowl, despite paying JAG his money. When you find yourself starting to buy into the "OMG! QB money = bad" stuff, just realize that the argument is a tiny bit of truth and a lot of nonsense.

festy1986 said:

Find me a better QB with a better chance of winning next year than Brady if you're gonna tell me you're letting brady walk before you pay him what hes worth.

Alot of people showing their true colors.

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• Most people don't give a damn about the players beyond what they offer their specific team at the moment
• Most people think that players should be loyal to teams, while wanting teams to **** all over the players the moment the players' skill fades
  
• Most people like to pretend they know how to manipulate numbers and caps
• Most people think players are bad if they don't take discounts
• Most people make up low ball contract numbers, and act as if they are perfectly reasonable
  
• Most people are idiots, and every person is an idiot some of the time

ChrisR2223 said:

Yes but you also have to imagine a similar offensive group with a possibly weaker defense and Brady one to 2 years older.
That’s why myself like most Patriots fans are not excited about that scenario.
I didn’t like Toms attitude towards the young receivers this year missing OTAs definitely had a effect.
The sudden sulking and public outcry of the AB disaster.
This was a guy who already in his mind was counting his losses and opposed to his blessings.
McDaniels coached scared and not confident in his offense.
It seemed to get worse each week.
If Kraft is willing to field a weaker declining team to appease the strong majority of the fan base vs. Belichicks idea of team building I am not a fan of that what so ever.

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You started drinking early...

I strongly disagree.

If $30M isn't enough to start discussions, leading to a possible extension, then the team will move on. I expect an extension to be signed by March 1 or not at all.

Brady can get more than the patriots are willing to offer. That's a given. The Raiders have $85M of cap room after restructuring Brown and trading (or cutting Carr). Even a $35M number for 2020 won't be more than a $15M cap hit ($30M bonus and $5M salary).

zimmy said:

All this says to me is that Brady isn't re-signing here until March 16 at the earliest. So we can ignore the noise for another month or so

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Deus Irae said:

The 49ers are in the Super Bowl, despite paying JAG his money.

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His cap hit this year is $19.85M. Not $30M. They took the huge hit last year ($37M), he maxes out at $27M now, the rest of the contract.

Jimmy Garoppolo Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

ChrisR2223 said:

Stidham or Mariota with cap used to strengthen tight end O line and keep Collins and Devin Mccourty.
trade Stephen Gilmore I know I know draft multiple receivers lock up JC Jackson long term.
Sign Matt Breida.
Go after Boston Scott from Philly I’m willing to pay him top 20 back money.
He would be perfect for this offense much more than Sony Michel is.
This team needs to get younger and more athletic on offense we have no explosiveness at receiver.
Brady has shown time and time again he doesn’t have time or patience to develop young receivers.
Bringing back AB and maybe trading for Cooks would be the only move if we are staying Pat with Brady

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Ok, my bad. You started drinking early, and you started drinking a lot...

BelichickFan said:

His cap hit this year is $19.85M. Not $30M. They took the huge hit last year ($37M), he maxes out at $27M now, the rest of the contract.

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That does nothing to undermine my point.

Deus Irae said:

Ok, my bad. You started drinking early, and you started drinking a lot...

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It gets even worse.