Kraft on If Brady will be back next year: "You gotta ask him. I sure hope so.

titletownpats said:

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This means absolutely nothing. Guaranteed money and contract structure are conveniently missing.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

If history has taught us anything, it's to write off TB12 when he's down.

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The funny thing about that video is how everyone is super excited except Dimitroff. He knew it wasn't over.

carmelo15 said:

Just said on nfl network that we are prepared to offer Brady 30 mill per year but Brady wants assurance that we’ll get him weapons.

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He can't have it both ways. We don't have the cap space to pay him $30M and spend on weapons.

If Brady is gone just remember these scary thoughts

The Buffalo Bill's are still searching for Jim Kelly's replacement.

The Miami Dolphins are still searching for Dan Marino's replacement.

The NY Jets are still searching for Joe Namath's replacement.

Yikes...

BelichickFan said:

He can't have it both ways. We don't have the cap space to pay him $30M and spend on weapons.

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Thats what I’m saying he’ll go for less to get weapons he knows this why would he all of a sudden wanna get paid so much. Why not 2-3 years ago why now he’s leveraging for weapons which he deserves.

carmelo15 said:

Thats what I’m saying he’ll go for less to get weapons he knows this why would he all of a sudden wanna get paid so much. Why not 2-3 years ago why now he’s leveraging for weapons which he deserves.

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Hopefully but not if the $30M number is correct. He's not a $30M QB now anyway, regardless of how badly it would crush our cap space which overthecap.com has at $45M with a ton of FA.

BelichickFan said:

He can't have it both ways. We don't have the cap space to pay him $30M and spend on weapons.

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I think they could easily structure it so that they will, especially if/when the NFLPA approves the 17 game season (which I think will happen eventually even if the initial vote fails).

You could easily set it up so that his cap hit this coming year is in the range of $10 million or less (not including the dead money). The higher cap hits come in ‘21 and ‘22, but the cap itself will have increased significantly by then.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Is the alternative here to build around Stidham and give him experience? Because bringing back Brady and searching for the next franchise QB are not mutually exclusive. Is the implication that with a worse record comes better draft position?

I think people would be super bummed if Brady sets/extends a bunch of new all-time records on another NFL team and aren't appreciating the rarity of this opportunity. And I've just yet to see a better alternative if the goal is to win now. Which questionable quarterback (example, Rivers, Dalton, Tannehill, Mariota) isn't going to get paid over $20M? I'm sure the team will be shooting for a new long-term answer regardless of what happens with Brady.

The bigger concern I have is why the Patriots make the most sense to Brady, given that he isn't doing them any favors since they wouldn't extend him last summer.

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A lot of good thoughts here. If Brady does leave I believe the most logical step would be to give Stidham a shot and take a QB in the draft for added competition. Possibly transition to a run heavy team for a year or two. We already have a 13m cap hit for Brady this year so paying an extra 15m to 20m for a Dalton or Tannehill makes no sense to me. I would rather spend that money for players to support the next QB.

If Brady leaves it's a risky move for him. He has to find a team that is in win now mode. If Brady has an unsuccessful season the whole he needed Bill to win drama will be on him even more. For me personally if Brady does leave and sets records I wouldn't be upset. I get another team to root for. I can't hate Brady just because Bill chooses to build the team differently. If we choose to not have another 07 offseason let's turn the page and get to the next chapter of the Patriots.

More like it. It's a great WR year, use #23 on the best WR we can get, develop Harry and we'd be good moving forward.

GaryfromTO said:

If Brady is gone just remember these scary thoughts

The Buffalo Bill's are still searching for Jim Kelly's replacement.

The Miami Dolphins are still searching for Dan Marino's replacement.

The NY Jets are still searching for Joe Namath's replacement.

Yikes...

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Disagree with both 1 & 3. Allen & Darnold are excellent young QBs. Both have high ceilings. Will they be as good as two Hall of Fame legends ? How many 1st round QB picks in the last 20 years are in the Hall of Fame discussions. BUT, they both are trending towards being franchise QBs. Those teams are trying to build around THOSE guys.

There’s no reason why the Pats can’t do the same thing. Especially with the greatest coach of all time. I’d prefer to have Brady back. But age is catching up with him.

BelichickFan said:

Hopefully but not if the $30M number is correct. He's not a $30M QB now anyway, regardless of how badly it would crush our cap space which overthecap.com has at $45M with a ton of FA.

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Tom Brady, like most players, is worth whatever he can get, even at the ripe old age of 43. I also feel like he earned it with the way he performed for the Pats during his career. I say pay the man. I'm sure they can figure out how to make it happen.

scott99 said:

Disagree with both 1 & 3. Allen & Darnold are excellent young QBs. Both have high ceilings. Will they be as good as two Hall of Fame legends ? How many 1st round QB picks in the last 20 years are in the Hall of Fame discussions. BUT, they both are trending towards being franchise QBs. Those teams are trying to build around THOSE guys.

There’s no reason why the Pats can’t do the same thing. Especially with the greatest coach of all time. I’d prefer to have Brady back. But age is catching up with him.

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Not buying Allen as a QB that is even so so, let alone good. Not convinced about Darnold either. But he might be someone you can develop.

farn said:

Not buying Allen as a QB that is even so so, let alone good. Not convinced about Darnold either. But he might be someone you can develop.

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I will be shocked if Allen is a starter anywhere in 2021, and the only question with Darnold is if another organization could reboot and improve him in a few years. Allen sucks despite great coaching. Darnold is decent despite terrible coaching. Neither will ever be anywhere near elite.

1960Pats said:

If Kraft did sell antiques out of the back of a Pontiac he'd probably make a huge profit. That's why I was tempted to invest in Draft Kings when I heard that he had invested 400K. My mistake that I didn't.

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What's that place in Western Mass? Brimfield?

Full of shysters and con men.

scott99 said:

Disagree with both 1 & 3. Allen & Darnold are excellent young QBs. Both have high ceilings. Will they be as good as two Hall of Fame legends ? How many 1st round QB picks in the last 20 years are in the Hall of Fame discussions. BUT, they both are trending towards being franchise QBs. Those teams are trying to build around THOSE guys.

There’s no reason why the Pats can’t do the same thing. Especially with the greatest coach of all time. I’d prefer to have Brady back. But age is catching up with him.

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Must not take much to please you if your listing both Allen and Darnold as excellent young QBs with their current body of work.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I will be shocked if Allen is a starter anywhere in 2021, and the only question with Darnold is if another organization could reboot and improve him in a few years. Allen sucks despite great coaching. Darnold is decent despite terrible coaching. Neither will ever be anywhere near elite.

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And this is based on what ? I believe Josh Allen is 22 and so is Darnold. Both have been promising, are you saying they will only regress ? I’ll take that bet. Don’t let your hatred blind you. I hate both teams as well, but those two guys are gonna be good. Darnold had even worse weapons and offensive line than the Pats. Yet the Jets won 7 games despite Darnold being out 4 games, lost all 4, meaning they went 7-5 with Darnold, despite having awful weapons.

Allen got the Bills to the playoffs, and their weapons are pretty weak as well (on offense).

Ras-IR Dowling said:

Must not take much to please you if your listing both Allen and Darnold as excellent young QBs with their current body of work.

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Key word is YOUNG. Both are 22. You guys seem to assume they can’t get better. Both had weak weapons on offense, and not the greatest OLines. That’s why 90% of the mock drafts have both teams taking WRs in the 1st round.

Not all QBs can be great immediately. Hell you guys were all over Lamar Jackson saying he sucks after he was drafted. All he did was win the MVP in his 2nd season.

Both QBs have more TDs than INTs in their careers, after throwing more INTs than TDs in their rookie seasons. That’s a good improvement in year 2. I’d be thrilled to have EITHER of them learning behind Tom Brady.

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And this is based on what ? I believe Josh Allen is 22 and so is Darnold. Both have been promising, are you saying they will only regress ? I’ll take that bet. Don’t let your hatred blind you. I hate both teams as well, but those two guys are gonna be good. Darnold had even worse weapons and offensive line than the Pats. Yet the Jets won 7 games despite Darnold being out 4 games, lost all 4, meaning they went 7-5 with Darnold, despite having awful weapons.

Allen got the Bills to the playoffs, and their weapons are pretty weak as well (on offense).

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This is based on the fact that Darnold has a passer rating of 81.1, throws a ton of INTs, and isn’t good, though it’s the Jets and no one is good there.

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Allen has a passer rating of 78.2, a completion percentage that is generously 56%, and isn’t good. Allen is even worse than his numbers, due to an offense with training wheels. Sure, all they need to do is field an elite defense every year and he’ll pan out as game manager who will never get them anywhere...that won’t get old fast with the fanbase.

PFF ranks Josh Allen in bottom third of quarterbacks in 2019

The deep ball was an issue for Allen, though, and he had the highest percentage of uncatchable passes on 20-plus yard throws. And even though he cut down on his interceptions, Allen was still among the league’s worst in turnover-worthy play rate, in large part due to fumbles.


All of the stats say these two aren’t good. The burden is on you to prove otherwise.

scott99 said:

Key word is YOUNG. Both are 22. You guys seem to assume they can’t get better. Both had weak weapons on offense, and not the greatest OLines. That’s why 90% of the mock drafts have both teams taking WRs in the 1st round.

Not all QBs can be great immediately. Hell you guys were all over Lamar Jackson saying he sucks after he was drafted. All he did was win the MVP in his 2nd season.

Both QBs have more TDs than INTs in their careers, after throwing more INTs than TDs in their rookie seasons. That’s a good improvement in year 2. I’d be thrilled to have EITHER of them learning behind Tom Brady.

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You’re using a bar from 1982 to judge their first few years. The chances of regression is equal to the chance of improvement. Both are less likely than the QBs being “what they are” despite age. The whole “they’ll get better with age” is an assumption that has been debunked for many years.

scott99 said:

Key word is YOUNG. Both are 22. You guys seem to assume they can’t get better. Both had weak weapons on offense, and not the greatest OLines. That’s why 90% of the mock drafts have both teams taking WRs in the 1st round.

Not all QBs can be great immediately. Hell you guys were all over Lamar Jackson saying he sucks after he was drafted. All he did was win the MVP in his 2nd season.

Both QBs have more TDs than INTs in their careers, after throwing more INTs than TDs in their rookie seasons. That’s a good improvement in year 2. I’d be thrilled to have EITHER of them learning behind Tom Brady.

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Both are young and sure they can improve. But as of right now they’re nowhere close to excellent. Guys like Lamar and mahomes are QBs I would consider excellent young QBs. Guys like Allen and darnold right now are question marks.