We Gave Up A 2nd Round Pick For Sanu

ivanvamp said:

If it's the system, that's cool. It just means that NE has to do a better job identifying guys who will work in this system. It's not an issue of Sanu *sucking* because quite clearly, he's always been a quality NFL wide receiver. He was successful in two different systems in Cincy and Atlanta. The guy can play football and can catch the ball.

But is NE's system REALLY that difficult? Brown seemed to pick it up instantly. Welker did. Moss did. Givens did. Some guys do and some guys don't. Doesn't mean they *suck* if they don't pick up this system.

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Getting on the same page as 12 is much more important. Its not an easy system to pickup but its not "moving mountains" hard.

The hardest thing is reading coverage through Brady's eyes, understanding leverage points & adjusting your route accordingly.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Getting on the same page as 12 is much more important. Its not an easy system to pickup but its not "moving mountains" hard.

The hardest thing is reading coverage through Brady's eyes, understanding leverage points & adjusting your route accordingly.

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Reminds me of a great article from Nick Underhill on The Athletic last summer where he interviewed some failed Patriots receivers and what it was like adjusting to the Patriots offense and playing with Brady. Here is an excerpt from a portion about old friends Chad Jackson and PK Sam:



On first glance, the New England playbook appears extraordinarily complex. There are a lot of reads to make, each dependent upon seeing through the same lens as Brady, who has been running this offense and reading NFL defenses for nearly two decades.

“It can be overwhelming, coming from college,” Jackson said. “The thing I had a tough time with too is reading the defense. They had a lot of hot stuff in their system.”

There are college systems that hold up cards with photographs on the sidelines to call plays instead of using actual words in a huddle, so the leap to the pros can be jarring. Perhaps even more so in New England, where players have to make adjustments based off the leverage a cornerback is using or how deep a safety lines up.

Dealing with all of those variables can be challenging.

“I think with the repointing of the Mike (linebacker) and understanding where the blitz is coming from and then what your route is, and any change to your route (is complex),” Sam said. “So, you had to remember that he just changed it with the hand signal, and then you had to remember, well, this is the next blitz, I’m only hot off of that guy, or I have to change my route to this.

“It’s a lot.”

203Pat said:

Reminds me of a great article from Nick Underhill on The Athletic last summer where he interviewed some failed Patriots receivers and what it was like adjusting to the Patriots offense and playing with Brady. Here is an excerpt from a portion about old friends Chad Jackson and PK Sam:



On first glance, the New England playbook appears extraordinarily complex. There are a lot of reads to make, each dependent upon seeing through the same lens as Brady, who has been running this offense and reading NFL defenses for nearly two decades.

“It can be overwhelming, coming from college,” Jackson said. “The thing I had a tough time with too is reading the defense. They had a lot of hot stuff in their system.”

There are college systems that hold up cards with photographs on the sidelines to call plays instead of using actual words in a huddle, so the leap to the pros can be jarring. Perhaps even more so in New England, where players have to make adjustments based off the leverage a cornerback is using or how deep a safety lines up.

Dealing with all of those variables can be challenging.

“I think with the repointing of the Mike (linebacker) and understanding where the blitz is coming from and then what your route is, and any change to your route (is complex),” Sam said. “So, you had to remember that he just changed it with the hand signal, and then you had to remember, well, this is the next blitz, I’m only hot off of that guy, or I have to change my route to this.

“It’s a lot.”

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NEP offense is a lot more complex than most but its not like we're the only team running it or variations of it. Getting on the same page as Brady is the key & deal breaker for most. A lot more important than r/r & learning the offense.

primetime said:

Who else? There's no player as good as Sanu who will be available on the open market for a similar price.

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Surely you can't be serious.

Please do yourself a favor and do not renew your subscription to the Mo Snooze Fan Club.

Jimke said:

Time to dump Sanu for a conditional 7th round pick.

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Foxypats said:

We gave up a 2nd for this guy and we can only hope for a 7th back ??? If that happens this will go down in History as being the worst trade ever.

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Too late...

Doctor DDS said:

Patriots have been exceptional of late in bringing in top rookie DB's regardless of round so lamenting 2nd round DB busts seems like a curious complaint.

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No, it doesn't.
Just because you yourself are satisfied with Little Billy's gross incompetence doesn't mean that the rest of us should be also...Just the opposite in fact.

captain stone said:

No, it doesn't.
Just because you yourself are satisfied with Little Billy's gross incompetence doesn't mean that the rest of us should be also...Just the opposite in fact.

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I agree he didn't have the best year but . . . . Little Billy? Really?

The thing that kills me is I think they screwed up the trade market for wide receivers. Now if they want to make a move for OBJ or say, Mike Williams from the Chargers, it is going to cost them substantially more than it would have had they not given up a second for a receiver with half the skills/production.

captain stone said:

Surely you can't be serious.

Please do yourself a favor and do not renew your subscription to the Mo Snooze Fan Club.

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Sanu had 60 catches last year between two teams. He's averaged about that each season since 2013. He's due $6 million next year, which will make him like the 50th highest paid receiver in football. There's no 60 catch per year receiver who will be available for that much. The Patriots offered Adam Humphries like $10m a year, the Titans gave him $9m, and he had a similar career (then caught 37 balls last season). Tyrell Williams got over $11m and averaged 40 catches a season. Every year, everyone underestimates how much other team's average guys get paid on the open market.

primetime said:

Sanu had 60 catches last year between two teams. He's averaged about that each season since 2013. He's due $6 million next year, which will make him like the 50th highest paid receiver in football. There's no 60 catch per year receiver who will be available for that much. The Patriots offered Adam Humphries like $10m a year, the Titans gave him $9m, and he had a similar career (then caught 37 balls last season). Every year, everyone underestimates how much other team's average guys get paid on the open market.

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I'd rather draft guys and take fliers on 2 guys who are long and fast and should come cheap.
Also Bourne on the niners is a free agent.

ChrisR2223 said:

I'd rather draft guys and take fliers on 2 guys who are long and fast and should come cheap.
Also Bourne on the niners is a free agent.

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Bourne's an RFA and he's probably going to be tendered a 2nd. That means the Patriots would have to give up a 1st for him.

primetime said:

Bourne's an RFA and he's probably going to be tendered a 2nd. That means the Patriots would have to give up a 1st for him.

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I like Deontay Burnett in Philly and Keelan Doss with the Raiders.
Would rather have those 2 to develop than Sanu.

ChrisR2223 said:

I like Deontay Burnett in Philly and Keelan Doss with the Raiders.
Would rather have those 2 to develop than Sanu.

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I know you're like the ultimate "every other team's trash is actually a superstar" Madden guy but those guys had 13 catches between them on teams that weren't exactly drowning in wide receiver talent. But yeah after we trade Stephon Gilmore for Taysom Hill, we can acquire a bunch of other team's practice squad receivers and soon we'll have an offense that will compete for the MAC championship!

primetime said:

I know you're like the ultimate "every other team's trash is actually a superstar" Madden guy but those guys had 13 catches between them on teams that weren't exactly drowning in wide receiver talent. But yeah after we trade Stephon Gilmore for Taysom Hill, we can acquire a bunch of other team's practice squad receivers and soon we'll have an offense that will compete for the MAC championship!

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No I'm looking at getting guys with measurables for cheap since WR has been such a crap shoot for us Crap is the ultimate word.
I'm looking for clay to mold and my fan hate for Sanu is strong I don't know why I can't really explain it.
I want to build a young team who is developing yet competing every season.
Trading Gilmore makes could make sense now if we are losing Devin Mccourty then less so Im still a believer that Obi Wan will make the most out of his change in New England and develop into at least a rotational player for us.
Plus JoeJuan Williams didn't look awful in his limited playing time.
I want to invest money in the defensive and offensive line.
Getting Reader or Chris Jones would be incredible.
However that is SLIM.
But we will see big uglys prioritized after Henry ran us over.

Mack Herron said:

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...assuming he has any interest in returning.

primetime said:

...assuming he has any interest in returning.

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Depends if Tom is here or not.