OT: Sox Fire Cora

fightingirish595 said:

what a stupid post. Sign stealing didn’t help? Pal the whole investigation is for 2017 and 2018. Last I checked Cora was on both World Series teams from those seasons running a sign stealing ring for the former and possibly the later.

And wow! The Yankees had 1 or 2 guys on their team that used PEDs in the 90s, just like every other team in baseball did. Remember the Red Sox won 2 World Series with known cheater manny Ramirez. Big papi isn’t exactly exonerated or anything either

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denverpatsfan said:

It's a joke. Get off your high horse. They lost at home during the playoffs. They won on the road Case flippin closed. Players who were interviewed said they didn't think it was helpful. That's why they stopped using it.
I'm sure it was more than 1 or 2 players on PED's. Did you even watch games back in the 90's and early 2000's?

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shmessy said:

A few minutes ago:

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Boston Boxer said:

for the love of Christ, there is a ****ing forum for this. How hard is it to post Red Sox/baseball related content in the ****ing Red Sox Forum?

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Hammer of Thor said:

I follow Chris Rock’s line of thinking for these types of events — I’m not saying I agree, but I understand.

And MLB needs to reassess this rule in general - why is one form of sign stealing ok and not another? If we do think this current set up is appropriate because it makes sign stealing too easy (we’ll reward brains, not simplicity), is there something we can do with the sign giving process that can actively prevent this? There’s nothing stopping MLB from allowing managers, pitchers and catchers from having an earpiece to relay the pitch selection, and having the rules be no use of the same frequency for each team and have a league rep watching over things during a game. Same thing for hitters and batters regarding signs from the 3rd base coach.

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Boston Boxer said:

for the love of Christ, there is a ****ing forum for this. How hard is it to post Red Sox/baseball related content in the ****ing Red Sox Forum?

asking for a friend

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TB_Helmet said:

I think sign stealing is 'accepted' if it's a runner on second base who relays it to the batter. It's all in the open and it's gamesmanship.

As soon as you get technology involved in it then that answers the question in bold. They were using a room inside the stadium that was set up for a completely different purpose. The opposing teams had no idea that sign stealing was happening so they didn't take steps to stop it. The only recourse they would have had would be to switch signs up every inning or something which seems too drastic and would hurt the product on the field.

Also what is the Chris Rock reference?

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Hammer of Thor said:

Definitely a good argument for why electronic methods are not allowed - thank you for that.

Regarding Chris Rock, here is a video but it’s very much not safe for work (language). It’s his commentary on OJ Simpson.

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TB_Helmet said:

Thanks, will check it out. Love me some Chris Rock.

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TommyBrady12 said:

It should he noted that the cheating Astros couldn't win a single home game in the World Series in 2019, presumably because MLB shut down their cheating operation

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IcyPatriot said:

Poor Chaim Bloom ... he must be like wtf I am in a circus with clowns.

F'n Dr. Creepy.

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TommyBrady12 said:

Way worse than spygate. Real time cheating by both Sox and Stros vs. accumulating a library of teams' hand signals that may or may not have been helpful...

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Froob said:

Looking into the scandal more, holy **** is the MLB naïve to think they wouldn't cheat like this lol. I don't let them off the hook for cheating, but why did they let them install a monitor in the dugout thinking they wouldn't cheat?

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