Give Brady Whatever He Wants

Ring 6 said:

It will be at least 2 due to the current contract and bonus structure. Why would a 3rd year be bad for the team.

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Yes, and a 2 year deal would almost certainly include an "on paper" 3rd year if only to spread out a cap hit.

JackBauer said:

Seems to me it'd be easier to draft a replacement at guard than it would be to draft a tackle and move the existing tackle to guard.



By the end I thought Wynn looked really good at LT. To the extent there are questions about his ability I don't think they come anywhere near meriting a change of position. Not to mention spending a first round pick when the team has so many other pressing needs.

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One reason is that it seem lineman tend to be able to step in as rookies and start and be effective more so than other positions.

JackBauer said:

Seems to me it'd be easier to draft a replacement at guard than it would be to draft a tackle and move the existing tackle to guard.



By the end I thought Wynn looked really good at LT. To the extent there are questions about his ability I don't think they come anywhere near meriting a change of position. Not to mention spending a first round pick when the team has so many other pressing needs.

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I certainly wouldn't spend a first round pick at tackle unless there was some blue chip stud that somehow fell to us. I am hoping that Cajuste or Frojholt are ready to step in next year if (when) Thuney leaves and we draft a tackle in the mid rounds. We need a swing tackle and potentially a replacement for Cannon as he has been banged up and not great when he is out there.

bormio said:

If you had Steve Young waiting in the wings would you feel the same?

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The odds of Stidham being Steve Young -- or the Pats picking up a franchise QB within the next 2 years -- are incredibly slim to the point that ditching Brady in hopes of hitting on that slim chance would be stupid. Especially when Brady is an anomaly at his age, still with top 10 QB ability and not to mention G.O.A.T. pedigree and experience.

It's harder than people remember to find a franchise QB.

203Pat said:

I certainly wouldn't spend a first round pick at tackle unless there was some blue chip stud that somehow fell to us. I am hoping that Cajuste or Frojholt are ready to step in next year if (when) Thuney leaves and we draft a tackle in the mid rounds. We need a swing tackle and potentially a replacement for Cannon as he has been banged up and not great when he is out there.

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Yep, agree with all of this.

TBR said:

The odds of Stidham being Steve Young -- or the Pats picking up a franchise QB within the next 2 years -- are incredibly slim to the point that ditching Brady in hopes of hitting on that slim chance would be stupid. Especially when Brady is an anomaly at his age, still with top 10 QB ability and not to mention G.O.A.T. pedigree and experience.

It's harder than people remember to find a franchise QB.

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Want to know what's even more stupid? Overpaying a declining 43-year-old franchise QB and compromising your roster in the process while fearing that a capable replacement can't be found or developed.

nah

TheAdultintheRoom said:

Tom Brady is a special player and a special person. He's not some RB that you move "a year early rather than a year late." He's the legend of all legends of Boston sports, maybe American sports. If I have to wait an extra 2 years to get to the post-Brady rebuild in order to honor Tom Brady and make sure he retires here, so be it as far as I'm concerned.

Sign him to a two or three year deal immediately so we can focus on the real task at hand, which is quickly revamping this offense. I think we need to use the entire draft on offense. Draft a franchise OT in the first round and kick Wynn inside to guard. Then take a few stabs at TE/WR.

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So if TB wants $40m a year you would do that?

Think about it...

robertweathers said:

So if TB wants $40m a year you would do that?

Think about it...

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2 years ... I do it.
However someone will offer him $80-$86 million for 3 years ... a premonition.

IcyPatriot said:

2 years ... I do it.
However someone will offer him $80-$86 million for 3 years ... a premonition.

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I'm too cheap. $25m-$27m is as high as I go as they also need to upgrade WR and TE.

robertweathers said:

I'm too cheap. $25m-$27m is as high as I go as they also need to upgrade WR and TE.

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Per year?
For 2 years I go $40 tops.

IcyPatriot said:

Per year?
For 2 years I go $40 tops.

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Oh I was saying 1y @ $25m.

Tunescribe said:

Want to know what's even more stupid? Overpaying a declining 43-year-old franchise QB and compromising your roster in the process while fearing that a capable replacement can't be found or developed.

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Pointing to the fact that he's 43, as if he's just like any other QB in history, is stupid. He's clearly proven to be an anomaly and his age isn't entirely relevant. He's still a top 10 QB in the league. The odds of them finding a superior starter for the next 2 years are slim.

robertweathers said:

Oh I was saying 1y @ $25m.

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Too much ... I am cheaper than you.

robertweathers said:

I'm too cheap. $25m-$27m is as high as I go as they also need to upgrade WR and TE.

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This is what I hope it will be and I am going as high as 35M a year.

Not really worried about it because what other NFL team would offer Brady a 3 year/90M deal? Even the Chargers, Bucs, Titans, and Colts all have cheaper alternatives in-house and qb's who will probably be more productive than Brady in 3 seasons.

Chevrolet said:

Is Brady still a "top tier, efficient QB"? I think BB does not think so. He will be impossible to replace..and its extremely difficult to find those top tier QB's...just look at the jets for example. But at some point the process of trying to find a younger durable top tier QB has to start again.
These teams had hopeless QB situations and are now in good spots because they started the process of looking and took their shot

1) 49ers- Jimmy G
2) Cowboys-Dak Prescott
3) Chiefs Patrick Mahomes
4) Ravens-LJ
5)Houston- Watson
6) Titans-Tannehill
7) Eagles- Wentz
8) Giants- Jones
9) Seahawks- Russell Wilson

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Brady is absolutely 100% still a top tier QB. He might not be the same guy he was 4-5 years ago but yes he's still top 10-12. One sub par year when everything that could go wrong doesn't change that. And It's not like we did everything possible to make sure that side of the ball was stacked.

Also look at those teams you mentioned. How long did it take them to get where they are now?? How long were the 49ers irrelevant?

Getting rid of Brady, still one of the best to do it, isn't getting us closer to another ring. It's literally the opposite of what those teams wanted & tried doing in terms of acquiring a franchise QB.

Again you're going absolutely nowhere without a QB in the league. Save for a "lightening in the bottle" type season you're irrelevant. And if you do catch fire one year we've all seen how quickly those flames burn out. Its not sustainable.

Tunescribe said:

Pick your poison then, because the 2020 Patriots are shaping up to be an either/or proposition: top-tier (yet aging) Brady with questionable supporting cast, or (QB name here) with stronger supporting cast. This team might not be capable of a deep playoff run either way in 2020, in which case building toward the future is even more advisable. Ample roster turnover is in the offing.

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You could be Bran The Builder. Without a QB you're stagnant at best.

TBR said:

Pointing to the fact that he's 43, as if he's just like any other QB in history, is stupid. He's clearly proven to be an anomaly and his age isn't entirely relevant. He's still a top 10 QB in the league. The odds of them finding a superior starter for the next 2 years are slim.

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So maybe he plays like 40 or 41 at age 43? His performance is sliding and a top-shelf supporting cast will be needed for him to succeed in 2020 -- this isn't the same TFB that we took for granted making chicken salad out of chicken bleep. But even then I support keeping him if what he's paid doesn't mitigate available cash for important free-agent signings. I just don't think it's worth backing up the Brinx truck for him unless the roster is strong enough to anticipate a deep playoff run and prospects for that are very uncertain at this point.

The only way you can bring back Brady is to almost completely sell out the 2020 defense - McCourty, Collins, Van Noy, Shelton, E Roberts, all GONE. On offense Karras and Thuney GONE. Slater and Ebner GONE - because Bill jerks off to his special teamers and he WILL overpay them. Dorsett - GONE. FA to keep - possibly - Calhoun, Folk (if he is cheaper than Gostowski/remember, we're saving $ here).

Take all that money and TRY to sign some combination of Cooper, Amendola, Cobb, R Anderson and Hooper, MacDonald, Eifert, Henry on the TE side.

If Krafty Bob doesn't have the wherewithal to do that (sell out the D and be resigned to the fact that the offense will have to score 28+ to win games in most cases) then there's no sense in spending the $ to resign Brady. They can go 9-7 (maybe) 8-8 or 7-9 and contend for the playoffs into at least the first week of December with the same or similar guys on defense with Stidham behind a (hopefully) healthy offensive line (with Andrews/hopefully/ Cajuste and Froholdt back), a returning Develin and his German backup, and a receiver corps of Savior Harry, Edelman, Meyers, Olzewski, and Sanu...

I shat on Brady as much as anyone this season, but it's clear he can no longer make mediocre players good (LaFell, Fauria, Woodhead) and good players great (Welker, Amendola). Therefore he must have WEAPONZ...the receivers and tight ends as presently constituted do not qualify as WEAPONZ.

I'm shocked at how many think we'll be competitive without Brady.

Sure we'll bring in a New QB & he'll just hit the ground running. We'll bring in new WRs/TEs & everything will mesh perfectly in 1 off season.

Sure we'll be real ... Competitive

I'm sorry but spoiled fans that only watch NEP would say this. And all due respect most have agendas (doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure that out) & don't actually watch tape. It's repeating the same drool that someone else said.

Please go take a few minutes to look at final 4 teams, SB teams & SB winners. Without a QB you're not "competitive" or a threat to do any damage in the playoffs.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Brady is absolutely 100% still a top tier QB. He might not be the same guy he was 4-5 years ago but yes he's still top 10-12. One sub par year when everything that could go wrong doesn't change that. And It's not like we did everything possible to make sure that side of the ball was stacked.

Also look at those teams you mentioned. How long did it take them to get where they are now?? How long were the 49ers irrelevant?

Getting rid of Brady, still one of the best to do it, isn't getting us closer to another ring. It's literally the opposite of what those teams wanted & tried doing in terms of acquiring a franchise QB.

Again you're going absolutely nowhere without a QB in the league. Save for a "lightening in the bottle" type season you're irrelevant. And if you do catch fire one year we've all seen how quickly those flames burn out. Its not sustainable.

You could be Bran The Builder. Without a QB you're stagnant at best.

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I don’t even understand why this is discussion. If Brady leaves then it’s Bran the Broken in New England.

The Patriots should be thrilled if Brady returns. He gives them a chance to win and it would be great to see him retire with the team. There seems to be almost no benefit to letting him go. This isn’t like a succession situation like Favre/Rodgers or Manning/Luck and it isn’t like the dilemma is about keeping him or trading him for some massive draft haul whereby they can rebuild. Losing Brady just gets you a zero in return...some extra cap space saved though you still need a veteran QB who will cost money. The whole Brady OR rebuild thing just makes no sense to me. They’re going to go out and try to find the best players at the best values whoever the QB is, so their approach is unlikely to change either way. If they love a QB in the draft, they’ll go for him whether they have Brady or not.

The fact is Brady is the one with all of the leverage. There are greener pastures out there, and if there were ever a time to bet on himself outside of New England, that time is now. I’m just hoping he’ll decide to stay in New England; I’m shocked there seem to be so many who want him to move on despite having no Jimmy G or really promising plan B at QB.