Give Brady Whatever He Wants

venecol said:

I wonder how Brady would've done in the playoffs with Diggs and Thielen. No way they could've afforded them with Brady making $23M. Lucky for them Cousins was only averaging $28M.

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You realize their cap situation is different than ours or do you subscribe to Felgers cap is crap? BTW how many super bowls have they won in the 5 years?

cmasspatsfan said:

You realize their cap situation is different than ours or do you subscribe to Felgers cap is crap? BTW how many super bowls have they won in the 5 years?

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How is it different? Do they have a higher cap limit? Do they follow different rules? My point is how the cap is managed obviously makes a difference. Maybe they chose not to spend so many resources on special teams. Idk, not spending time on details, but its curious they have 11 players at >$10M and Pats have 2 in 2020, yet Cousins is getting $31M!

They didn't have Brady to win SBs.

TheAdultintheRoom said:

We have the rest of our lives to be just another team without the GOAT trying to rebuild. What's the big hurry?

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No one, not even you wants Kraft to pay Brady whatever he wants. And that’s because, if he does, there won’t be any money to give him better receivers.

Regardless, we can discuss this to infinity and it won’t change what the Patriots are going to do.

betterthanthealternative said:

They (Brady, Belichick, Kraft) would be so much better off if they could approach building a team to go for #7 together, and have Brady's compensation be part of that thinking. What we are hearing is more consistent with a standard negotiating (i.e. competitive) approach, which won't be optimal toward the final goal.

I hold Kraft more responsible for this than any of them. It's his job to get people in the organization to transcend ego in situations like this.

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You can hold Kraft responsible but it’s his team, not ours

supafly said:

Yeah, in Curran’s piece, he suggests that the team has somehow failed Tom since the 2013 extension, meaning that they didn’t surround him with enough weapons. I respectfully disagree. I think they lived up to their end of the deal, brought in some high profile free agents like Revis and Gilmore, and spent to the cap in every season.

It would seem that as long as the team doesn’t expect him to take something ridiculously low, another year in 2020 would be the best option for both sides. Brady would get another good shot at playing with a very competitive team at a reasonable enough salary (especially for an unprecedented 43 year old QB), and the team would have their leader continue to play in the offense that they designed specifically for him to excel in.

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Curran's article was written with the intent to pollinate the pansy field.

TheAdultintheRoom said:

We have the rest of our lives to be just another team without the GOAT trying to rebuild. What's the big hurry?

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How are the Patriots "just another team" with the Goat coach? Basically, what you are saying is the Patriots will not succeed without Brady.

TheAdultintheRoom said:

Seriously, what is the big hurry to dump the GOAT? Have some Patriots fans become so spoiled they think another GOAT is going to just fall into our lap? We have the rest of our lives to be GOATless. We'd be advised to hold on to the GOAT as long as we can.

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I can only speak for myself and I don’t believe anyone is in a hurry to “dump” Brady.

You’re coming across from an emotional perspective in your posts and emotion is useless in business discussions. And this is nothing but a business discussion.

I’m purposefully removing emotion and weighing factors logically. I’m a Patriots fan more than a Brady fan and I want what is best for the future of our team.

I’m also a huge Brady fan, but I’m a realist

bormio said:

If you had Steve Young waiting in the wings would you feel the same?

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I think so. Montana had 2 great seasons with the Chiefs. One could argue if he had stayed with 49ers he could have stayed for 3 years not two and won a SB with that team. In which case he would have matched all the SBs Young won with the 49ers. Clearly we don’t have the counterfactual but you posed a hypothetical so I answered with a hypothetical.

scout said:

How are the Patriots "just another team" with the Goat coach? Basically, what you are saying is the Patriots will not succeed without Brady.

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He’s saying we don’t know if BB is the GOAT coach because of Brady or Brady is the GOAT QB because of BB. Frankly I’d rather not find out.

IndianPat said:

When asked about Brady's next year plans, Brady's dad said "it depends on Bill Belichick". There in lies the reality. Nobody knows what the organization is thinking.

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That was the diplomatic answer to put out an ash tray fire.Brady Sr knows that BB wont say a word.

Brady decides his fate.

supafly said:

Yeah, in Curran’s piece, he suggests that the team has somehow failed Tom since the 2013 extension, meaning that they didn’t surround him with enough weapons. I respectfully disagree. I think they lived up to their end of the deal, brought in some high profile free agents like Revis and Gilmore, and spent to the cap in every season.

It would seem that as long as the team doesn’t expect him to take something ridiculously low, another year in 2020 would be the best option for both sides. Brady would get another good shot at playing with a very competitive team at a reasonable enough salary (especially for an unprecedented 43 year old QB), and the team would have their leader continue to play in the offense that they designed specifically for him to excel in.

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Bruschi, Romo, Collingsworth and Peter King have all stated that Brady needs talent around him.

The Pats failed to staff the offense in 2018, but still dodged a bullet in the Super Bowl. Gordon came available unexpectedly and may have actually saved the season despite quitting.

The Pats obviously did not do enough on offense this season otherwise the Pats would still be playing.

PatriotsReign said:

I can only speak for myself and I don’t believe anyone is in a hurry to “dump” Brady.

You’re coming across from an emotional perspective in your posts and emotion is useless in business discussions. And this is nothing but a business discussion.

I’m purposefully removing emotion and weighing factors logically. I’m a Patriots fan more than a Brady fan and I want what is best for the future of our team.

I’m also a huge Brady fan, but I’m a realist

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And yet, as in all things human, your desire to be "logical" is driven entirely by emotion. Being "logical" requires the exercise of emotional competencies. It isn't about being less emotional, it is about using emotions in a certain way.

It all starts in the trenches - improve the OL and DL

He wants some wrs and TEs who can run routes, get open and catch. A line which can run and pass block. Patriots can't give him any of that. He's gone.

Triumph said:

Bruschi, Romo, Collingsworth and Peter King have all stated that Brady needs talent around him.

The Pats failed to staff the offense in 2018, but still dodged a bullet in the Super Bowl. Gordon came available unexpectedly and may have actually saved the season despite quitting.

The Pats obviously did not do enough on offense this season otherwise the Pats would still be playing.

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According to Curran’s incorrect opinion, the issue at hand was the supposed lack of resources spent by the team. The offense failed mainly in part to a late March retirement notice from Rob Gronkowski, injuries to the starting LT, C, and nagging ailments from Brady, Edelman, and Michel. Role players like Cannon and Burkhead also battled injuries on some level. The loss of James Devlin hurt badly.

At one point the offense looked loaded. They went out and brought in Antonio Brown (“the” free agent on the market at the time), as well as trading a high second round pick for Mohamed Sanu. In the meantime, they had also brought in Demaryius Thomas, and were still dealing with the Josh Gordon move from last year. In week two, people were calling them a super bowl caliber team and the offense looked great. They recently also spent first round picks at WR and RB.

In the 5 seasons prior, they went to the SB 4 times, and that included a first round trade for Brandin Cooks, and also signing the premiere CB in the league with Revis, and once again with Gilmore. They also retained a bunch of key pieces like Mason, Andrews, Cannon, White, Edelman, Hightower, Harmon, Jones, and McCourty. At one point last year, they had the 6th highest number of players making more than 10m+ out of any of the NFL teams.

How do you see this as failing to spend money in an attempt to build a good team around Brady?

TheRainMaker said:

A lot of posters on here think the Pats can run their Franchise like when you’re playing Madden Football. Just let anybody walk and you can easily replace them.

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Not the best analogy, as in Madden you can also re-sign whoever you want based purely on finding the minimum number the computer will accept. There's no factors other than money, and it's a calculation with the player having no real input. Also in Madden, the cap is generally a formality. I don't think I ever ran a franchise where I had to make truly tough decisions because I could always afford the players I cared about. Then again, I haven't played a Madden franchise since maybe the early 2010's, so it may have gotten more realistic in recent years

VectorPrime said:

What if he wants a pony?

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Then buy him two!

There is not one athlete, in ANY sport, that I've loved more than Tom Brady. He's given me more joy and happiness than any athlete. I think the world of him, I think he's a great person, a humble person, and a genuine person. You can tell by the way his teammates talk about him, and by the way opponents seem to adore him, especially after a game (not during obviously).

That being said, you can't be irresponsible, unfortunately there is a salary cap, if there wasn't, I'd agree 100% with what the OP is saying. Due to the cap, Belichick has a very tough decision with Brady. I don't think it would be responsible to give Brady 30 mill a year, you can't build a WINNING team if you do that. It's bad enough we are most likely going to lose Van Noy & Thuney, which makes the team weaker on both sides of the ball. We need to sign other Patriot's free agents as well. I credit Belichick, he will do what he thinks is right for the team. It sucks, but the team may move on from the most iconic athlete in New England history, but I think we have to be able to handle that possibility. It would have to be a team effort to get Brady back that is fiscally responsible.

The goal whether Brady or Stidham is the QB is to acquire a WR1 & a starting TE. The estimated cap space with both:

Brady

Cap space ~$55 million - $6.75 million dead cap hit - $25 million cap hit
=~ $24 million
+6.5 million Sanu cut
=~$30.5 million


Stidham

Cap space ~$55 million - $13.5 million dead cap hit
=~$42 million cap space
+6.5 million Sanu cut
=~48.5 million

WR1 price tag: $14 million first year cap hit (Odell Beckham Jr, Amari Cooper) & potentially pick 23 (Odell Beckham Jr)

TE price tag: $8 million first year cap hit (Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper) & lower potentially with Eric Ebron

Losing Thuney would hurt but Brady with a WR1, Edelman, an upper-tier TE & White would be enough to have a 2016 caliber offense.

In short: They can revamp the offense with both QBs. However, the defense would likely take a bigger hit under Brady due to cap constraints.