Give Brady Whatever He Wants

TheRainMaker · Jan 9, 2020

Brady will not re-sign until the Pats trade or sign a bona fide WR. It’s either re-sign AB or trade for an elite talent. Problem is, there’s not much available that we know.

Wingy · Jan 9, 2020

I can’t support the OP from a literal standpoint, but I agree with the general spirit of it.

So many are ready to move on so we can hurry up, and rebuild like we’re just gonna be racking up titles again in 3-4 years. This dynasty has seriously warped reality for some folks. We’ve won so much, some fans seem to think it is now our birthright moving forward.

I get BB is The GOAT in his own right, but he’s no spring chicken himself. Even if we kicked Brady to the curb right now, it’s very plausible BB could become the oldest coach in league history in about 5 years, and still only have a mediocre team despite his own brilliance.

Scar is about to be 72. How did it go when he retired? He can’t go on forever.

We probably won’t be there favorite anymore, and that’s ok, but we still have a legit shot with Brady. If those that want to move on have so much faith in Bill to bring us right back to the promised land post-Brady, then where is the faith that he can improve the team over the next year or two? We weren’t that far off.

Tunescribe · Jan 9, 2020

Hyped said:
I also trust their judgement, but if we dump Brady and play Stidham...we are paying 13.5M + Stidham's salary....and we would save maybe ~22M which will only be 1/9 of the projected cap of 180M.I believe the coaches believe that Brady plus some FA's on offense will keep the team competitive. We weren't that far this year, IMO.

Stidham will be making $500k; $22 million or 1/9th of the cap is a lot of money, enough to cover two free-agent starters. To re-sign Brady in terms of keeping the roster competitive he wouldn't get more than in '19 and likely would need to take a cut. He and the team are at an impasse.

skinnydog · Jan 9, 2020

VectorPrime said:
What if he wants a pony?

What if we all want ponies

Hyped · Jan 9, 2020

Tunescribe said:
Stidham will be making $500k; $22 million or 1/9th of the cap is a lot of money, enough to cover two free-agent starters. To re-sign Brady in terms of keeping the roster competitive he wouldn't get more than in '19 and likely would need to take a cut. He and the team are at an impasse.

I don't think he needs to take a cut. I believe we can pay him 26-27M this year AND still field a competitive team. Just need some guys to step up here and there.

TheRainMaker · Jan 9, 2020

Wingy said:
I can’t support the OP from a literal standpoint, but I agree with the general spirit of it.

So many are ready to move on so we can hurry up, and rebuild like we’re just gonna be racking up titles again in 3-4 years. This dynasty has seriously warped reality for some folks. We’ve won so much, some fans seem to think it is now our birthright moving forward.

I get BB is The GOAT in his own right, but he’s no spring chicken himself. Even if we kicked Brady to the curb right now, it’s very plausible BB could become the oldest coach in league history in about 5 years, and still only have a mediocre team despite his own brilliance.

Scar is about to be 72. How did it go when he retired? He can’t go on forever.

We probably won’t be there favorite anymore, and that’s ok, but we still have a legit shot with Brady. If those that want to move on have so much faith in Bill to bring us right back to the promised land post-Brady, then where is the faith that he can improve the team over the next year or two? We weren’t that far off.

A lot of posters on here think the Pats can run their Franchise like when you’re playing Madden Football. Just let anybody walk and you can easily replace them.

203Pat · Jan 9, 2020

I don’t care if we mortgage the future. Load up for Brady and get him one or two more rings. Let him retire with 7 or 8 rings then work our way out of the dregs of the league for a few years and rebuild.

Tunescribe · Jan 9, 2020

Hyped said:
I don't think he needs to take a cut. I believe we can pay him 26-27M this year AND still field a competitive team. Just need some guys to step up here and there.

Cap is short, too many free agents on the team now and more will be needed to replace those who leave in addition to plugging other holes. If the roster was stronger I'd be all-in for re-upping Brady but this team needs serious re-tooling.

skinnydog · Jan 9, 2020

Tunescribe said:
Stidham will be making $500k; $22 million or 1/9th of the cap is a lot of money, enough to cover two free-agent starters. To re-sign Brady in terms of keeping the roster competitive he wouldn't get more than in '19 and likely would need to take a cut. He and the team are at an impasse.

No starter or even 2 are more important than a top QB. If the Pats want a realistic shot at a Super Bowl in the next 2 years, their best shot by far is to resign Brady to a 2 year deal in reality that on paper has a 3rd year to make it more cap friendly. Brady’s cap hit has been in this range for a few years now and they’ve won Superbowls, so they can build a Super Bowl roster with him carrying a mid 20s cap hit.

Tunescribe · Jan 9, 2020

skinnydog said:
No starter or even 2 are more important than a top QB. If the Pats want a realistic shot at a Super Bowl in the next 2 years, their best shot by far is to resign Brady to a 2 year deal in reality that on paper has a 3rd year to make it more cap friendly. Brady’s cap hit has been in this range for a few years now and they’ve won Superbowls, so they can build a Super Bowl roster with him carrying a mid 20s cap hit.

You're speaking wishfully, what you describe is what they tried to do this past season. Simply put, the team can't afford Brady AND buy him new weapons AND have a competitive rest of the roster (OL, defense, etc.). Too many key free agents, too many needs via free agency.

Chevrolet · Jan 9, 2020

Your point is well taken. Everyone on this board loves Brady. There are no guarantees that after he leaves that Patriots will be back in contention for a SB anytime soon
But...

Brady will be 43 Next Season
Brady's statistics across the board have pretty much consistently gotten worse each of the past 4 years
- This makes it unlikely that injury or poor skill players around him is to blame
Brady has had elbow and foot injury over the past season
If they re-sign Brady his cap space will preclude them from resigning any of their own free agents let alone be competitive for top tier FA

If the Patriots had wanted to take this approach they would have extended him last year. Regardless of wanting to hang on to the glory of the past, BB has pretty much made clear his reluctance to keep signing a 42 year old QB with evidence of decline in perpetuity.

Brady also may be better off getting paid what he deserves, being surrounded by premium young talent AND finally proving that he can win without BB. I think his instagram post was all about this last point, when he said he still has more to prove.

Bottom line both the Patriots and Brady will be better off with mutual separation at this time, as painful it will be for all true Pats fans. Hanging on to him like a worn out security blanket helps no one and will slow down and hinder the inevitable rebuild process.

Unfortunately the Brady glory days in NE are over.

skinnydog · Jan 9, 2020

Tunescribe said:
You're speaking wishfully, what you describe is what they tried to do this past season. Simply put, the team can't afford Brady AND buy him new weapons AND have a competitive rest of the roster (OL, defense, etc.). Too many key free agents, too many needs via free agency.

Not wishfully , his cap number on 2018 and they won the Super Bowl. So not only can it be done, the Pats did it just a year ago. The Pats didn’t have a lack of money problem this year, they had a problem with their decisions in building an offense problem.

Tunescribe · Jan 9, 2020

Chevrolet said:
Your point is well taken. Everyone on this board loves Brady. There are no guarantees that after he leaves that Patriots will be back in contention for a SB anytime soon
But...

Brady will be 43 Next Season

Brady's statistics across the board have pretty much consistently gotten worse each of the past 4 years

This makes it unlikely that injury or poor skill players around him is to blame

Brady has had elbow and foot injury over the past season

If they re-sign Brady his cap space will preclude them from resigning any of their own free agents let alone be competitive for top tier FA

If the Patriots had wanted to take this approach they would have extended him last year. Regardless of wanting to hang on to the glory of the past, BB has pretty much made clear his reluctance to keep signing a 42 year old QB with evidence of decline in perpetuity.

Brady also may be better off getting paid what he deserves, being surrounded by premium young talent AND finally proving that he can win without BB. I think his instagram post was all about this last point, when he said he still has more to prove.

Bottom line both the Patriots and Brady will be better off with mutual separation at this time, as painful it will be for all true Pats fans. Hanging on too him like a worn out security blanket helps no one.

Good post. The fan base's emotional attachment to Brady understandably is strong, he's one of a kind. Heck, I have a hard time myself imagining this team without him. But I'm a Pats fan first, a Brady fan second and setting the team on course to win consistently into the future is what matters most.

BaconGrundleCandy · Jan 9, 2020

You don't win in this league without top tier, efficient QB play. Your roster can be as competitive as it gets. Without a QB, you're going nowhere. Even if their not an all-time great like Tom, they have to be playing great football during that year, that stretch.
And you're simply not competitive without top tier QB play.

I'm not advocating for giving Brady whatever he wants. Just reminding people of the reality in this league. Go take a quick look at the SB teams over the last 20-30 years. You'll have a few outliers, very few but you can't build around that with a serious hope at being a relevant SB threat.

BaconGrundleCandy · Jan 9, 2020

Tunescribe said:
Good post. The fan base's emotional attachment to Brady understandably is strong, he's one of a kind. Heck, I have a hard time myself imagining this team without him. But I'm a Pats fan first, a Brady fan second and setting the team on course to win consistently into the future is what matters most.

I hear this 100% but take feelings out of the equation.

What/Who gives us our best shot at a SB next year? Who cares abt Brady's legacy for a minute. Scratching & clawing our way to 7-9 wins with Stidham isn't really competitive & certainly not a legit SB contender.
I'm sorry but agendas are screaming through some of these post. Bill ball washers want Brady gone simply bc they think this is Bills shot at proving he doesn't need Brady. They're not Pats fans by a long shot. And you have the other side who wants Brady to pay/give 12 whatever he wants.

I'm simply trying to find the best shot at winning another title which should be the goal. In reality who gives us the beat shot at that?

Chevrolet · Jan 9, 2020

BaconGrundleCandy said:
You don't win in this league without top tier, efficient QB play. Your roster can be as competitive as it gets. Without a QB, you're going nowhere. Even if their not an all-time great like Tom, they have to be playing great football during that year, that stretch.
And you're simply not competitive without top tier QB play.

I'm not advocating for giving Brady whatever he wants. Just reminding people of the reality in this league. Go take a quick look at the SB teams over the last 20-30 years. You'll have a few outliers, very few but you can't build around that with a serious hope at being a relevant SB threat.

Is Brady still a "top tier, efficient QB"? I think BB does not think so. He will be impossible to replace..and its extremely difficult to find those top tier QB's...just look at the jets for example. But at some point the process of trying to find a younger durable top tier QB has to start again.
These teams had hopeless QB situations and are now in good spots because they started the process of looking and took their shot

1) 49ers- Jimmy G
2) Cowboys-Dak Prescott
3) Chiefs Patrick Mahomes
4) Ravens-LJ
5)Houston- Watson
6) Titans-Tannehill
7) Eagles- Wentz
8) Giants- Jones
9) Seahawks- Russell Wilson

Tunescribe · Jan 9, 2020

BaconGrundleCandy said:
You don't win in this league without top tier, efficient QB play. Your roster can be as competitive as it gets. Without a QB, you're going nowhere. Even if their not an all-time great like Tom, they have to be playing great football during that year, that stretch.
And you're simply not competitive without top tier QB play.

I'm not advocating for giving Brady whatever he wants. Just reminding people of the reality in this league. Go take a quick look at the SB teams over the last 20-30 years. You'll have a few outliers, very few but you can't build around that with a serious hope at being a relevant SB threat.

Pick your poison then, because the 2020 Patriots are shaping up to be an either/or proposition: top-tier (yet aging) Brady with questionable supporting cast, or (QB name here) with stronger supporting cast. This team might not be capable of a deep playoff run either way in 2020, in which case building toward the future is even more advisable. Ample roster turnover is in the offing.

Tony2046 · Jan 9, 2020

Brady deserves to end his career with the Pats. If it means suffering through a 3-13 season so be it. We all would've traded that for the last twenty years, twenty-five years ago, but now we selfishly want more.

You all are a bunch of entitled pansies.

PittPatriot · Jan 9, 2020

ownership.
What if Kraft can offer Brady 5% ownership in the franchise? That would be with more than whatever cap busting salary the Pats could come up with.
That would be like Brady asking for a pony but Kraft gives him a unicorn instead.

ctpatsfan77 · Jan 9, 2020

Tunescribe said:
setting the team on course to win consistently into the future is what matters most.

The thing they're trying to avoid is paying Brady while not getting sufficient value for that money.

I think they could continue to do contracts like this one: one-year with the cap hit spread out over three. So, as a hypothetical example, $12M salary + $12M signing bonus over 3 years. Cap hit for 2020: $22.75M (including current $6.75M), 2021: $10.75M, 2022: $4M. If he's still playing well in 2020, do the same for 2021.

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