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Pro Football Ref has a metric called AV, or Approximate Value, a score which they assign to every player every season. While not perfect, it's a decent way to measure who is getting playing time and production. They just input everyone's AV for the 2019 regular season. I've used this score to see what teams have best been able to extract value out of the draft this past decade.

What I've done is copy every team's drafts from the last 10 years, from 2010 to 2019, into a spreadsheet and summed up the cumulative Career AV (CarAV) drafted from every team in that timespan, and ranked them against each other. My challenge to the board is to guess three things:
  • Which team has drafted the most CarAV?
  • Which team has drafted the least?
  • Where are the Patriots ranked?
Guess these three things, and your score will be how far off from the actual rankings you are. If you guess the Patriots are 15th and they're actually 10th, your score will be 5 for that guess. (I can neither confirm nor deny at this time that the Pats are 10th.)

I'll leave this open for a bit to give anyone interested some time to think about it, and post the answers before next week's games.

Some quirks you should consider:

This will favor teams that excelled early in the decade more than later in the decade, as those players have accumulated stats for longer. Repeating these calculations with the scores five years for now would change many of the rankings in favor of the teams who have drafted well more recently.

Players who change teams accumulate value for the team that drafted him, not the team that he moved onto. Chandler Jones accumulated value for the Patriots in 2019, and Kyle Van Noy accumulated value for the Lions.

Special Teams aces seem to be completely ignored by this metric. Matthew Slater has a Career AV of 4, which is the same as Ryan Mallett. Joe Cardona gets 1 point a year. Kickers and Punters do get some value. Justin Tucker has gotten up to 8 points in a season. For perspective, in Tom Brady's best year he got 24 points in 2007. This year Brady got 12, which was twice what Sam Darnold got.

This is a completely regular season stat. Playoff heroics mean nothing.

ANOTHER QUIRK: This is simply adding all players' values together. Thus, there is no adjustment for a team which has drafted 100 players compared to a team that has drafted 70 players in the same time span.

Given all that, what would your guesses be and why? And guesses only. I don't want anyone repeating these calculations and posting with actual knowledge before the reveal.
 
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This is great and would love to see the data when the contest is over.

I’m gonna say
Seahawks #1
Jags #32
Pats #6
 
I assume no weighting is given to draft position?

Good thread idea, we could use some more numbers around these parts instead of opinions.

I’ll play, with the caveat I’m just going by first guesses:

Top: Ravens
Pats: 12
Worst: Bengals (cause Bengals)
 
Top guess: I’m looking at teams that did well throughout decade but more so early in decade, and also teams that drafted players that did well that stayed with team but also that went to other teams and contributed...now the tricky part is that it doesn’t seem wins and winning plays into values, but production does, which I assume means stats, so for offense I’m looking at stat monsters with tds, and for d I’m looking at tackles/sack/int machines...so possibly more aggressive schemes

so I go with Seahawks, ravens, Steelers

for last I will assume teams that suck so low td production ie bengals, browns, bills, fins, raiders, skins, lions, bucs...so I’ll whittle that down to a team which likes to pay other teams best players to go there and play: Dolphins

I would say patriots are high because of high td production, and lower because we get a lot of production from other teams castaways...so 16 for us
 
Good thread. Haven't checked this in 3- 4 years. Seattle, Indy, Carolina, NEP, GB would all be top 5-8 imo. Followed by Atl, Oak, Pitt, NO, Balt.
 
I assume no weighting is given to draft position?

Good thread idea, we could use some more numbers around these parts instead of opinions.

I’ll play, with the caveat I’m just going by first guesses:

Top: Ravens
Pats: 12
Worst: Bengals (cause Bengals)

Correct. I just summed up the entire column.
 
Top guess: I’m looking at teams that did well throughout decade but more so early in decade, and also teams that drafted players that did well that stayed with team but also that went to other teams and contributed...now the tricky part is that it doesn’t seem wins and winning plays into values, but production does, which I assume means stats, so for offense I’m looking at stat monsters with tds, and for d I’m looking at tackles/sack/int machines...so possibly more aggressive schemes

In addition to stats, people like Offensive Lineman get rewarded for playing. Nate Solder playing every down got 10-11 points/season playing for the Pats. After he went to the Giants, all we heard was how bad he was but he still gets 9 points per season.

Meanwhile blocking TEs like Michael Hooman and Dwayne Allen got 1 point/season at most while playing for the Pats.
 
Another note I added:

ANOTHER QUIRK: This is simply adding all players' values together. Thus, there is no adjustment for a team which has drafted 100 players compared to a team that has drafted 70 players in the same time span.
 
I'm going to guess the Patriots are last because all I see and read is how terrible they are at drafting. :D
 
My guess
  • Which team has drafted the most CarAV? Seahawks
  • Which team has drafted the least? Browns
  • Where are the Patriots ranked? 8th
 
Best: Dallas
Worst: Giants
Pats: 11th
 
Good thread. Haven't checked this in 3- 4 years. Seattle, Indy, Carolina, NEP, GB would all be top 5-8 imo. Followed by Atl, Oak, Pitt, NO, Balt.
Did you have a guess for the bottom team and the Pats' placement?
 
Best GB
Worst AZ
Pats 9th
 
Did you have a guess for the bottom team and the Pats' placement?
I said top 5 above? I'll change that to 5-10 & go with 8.

Sea 1st
Cleveland 32

I bet the NYJ are close to Cleveland tho.
 
Well, I thought this was a good, data-driven thread and it’s sinking like a stone to the bottom of a pond.

Maybe the OP should change the title to “eSpN mOroN sAYs sTupId sTuFf aBOuT bRAdY” then it would get more attention.

(Edit: I don’t mind the moderation here as much as others, but bleeping out the word m!ron does strike me funny I have to say.)
 
  • Which team has drafted the most CarAV? Seattle
  • Which team has drafted the least? Jets
  • Where are the Patriots ranked? 4th
 
We have 8 valid guesses so far, and the gap between the best guess and the worst guess so far is over 40 points!

Should I reveal the answers soon or give people til the end of the week?
 
We have 8 valid guesses so far, and the gap between the best guess and the worst guess so far is over 40 points!

Should I reveal the answers soon or give people til the end of the week?
I may die by the end of the week and I can't go to my grave not knowing.
 
That’s impossible. The Packers wasted Aaron’s prime!!!
I was just thinking what team almost never signs big money free agents and has been competitive for most of the decade. also hadn't seen anyone else say it so in the interest of being different I made a shot in the dark.
 
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