The Pats need a new direction on draft/FA signings

203Pat · Jan 7, 2020

PatsFan2 said:
I know 3 who are the next 2?? I would say Wynn - Sony - Thuney.

Ted Karras I included even though he started due to injury and Jake Bailey.

SHOWTIME15 · Jan 7, 2020

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
The oregon QB likely the second QB taken after burrow.

If the Pats want a 1st round QB, they are going to have to compete with the Panthers and Saints, who will both most likely looking at QB. If Love drops, I can see NO move ahead of us to nab him.

Sciz · Jan 7, 2020

We’re over 200 posts now. Who are people proposing to be the new GM?

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

203Pat said:
Ted Karras I included even though he started due to injury and Jake Bailey.

Yeah Ted Karras is a stretch even though he played well and that Titan Punter made Bailey look like crap that said I agree.

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

Sciz said:
We’re over 200 posts now. Who are people proposing to be the new GM?

Someone not named BB.

203Pat · Jan 7, 2020

Sciz said:
We’re over 200 posts now. Who are people proposing to be the new GM?

I haven’t seen any rational posts claiming Bill should step down as GM but you would have to be a huge homer to suggest he has nailed these recent drafts.

Sciz · Jan 7, 2020

203Pat said:
I haven’t seen any rational posts claiming Bill should step down as GM

I’m talking about the first two sentences of the first post.

203Pat · Jan 7, 2020

Sciz said:
I’m talking about the first two sentences of the first post.

Oh well in that case I am certainly not advocating Bill step down. I just want him to re-evaluate the things he values in certain positions.

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

Sciz said:
I’m talking about the first two sentences of the first post.

What's wrong with what the OP said he's not wrong. How comes other Teams hit on Second Rounders and we are loaded with flame outs?? Winning covers everything?? Well we didn't win it all this year.

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

203Pat said:
Oh well in that case I am certainly not advocating Bill step down. I just want him to re-evaluate the things he values in certain positions.

Like taking Harry who was the Worse Fit for Brady and the Patriots Offense.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Jan 7, 2020

So i was having an argument with someone as to who has made more of a contribution patten with the pats in the early 2000s or dorsett with these pats. Who would you say? I said patten because of the numbers. He has dwarfed anything dorsett has done here. Would you agree?

203Pat · Jan 7, 2020

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
So i was having an argument with someone as to who has made more of a contribution patten with the pats in the early 2000s or dorsett with these pats. Who would you say? I said patten because of the numbers. He has dwarfed anything dorsett has done here. Would you agree?

Patten and it’s not even close.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Jan 7, 2020

203Pat said:
Patten and it’s not even close.

That’s what i told him. People forget how importan patten was to those teams. They didn’t have man great receivers but he helped that offense. His numbers are superior to dorsett.

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

203Pat said:
Patten and it’s not even close.

Dorsett is an embarrassment for a First Rounder him and Sanu will soon be out of this league.

PatsFan2 · Jan 7, 2020

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
That’s what i told him. People forget how importan patten was to those teams. They didn’t have man great receivers but he helped that offense. His numbers are superior to dorsett.

Dorsett is probably still covered and we are not even playing...guy came in the league with Speed and his game never materialized.

Sciz · Jan 7, 2020

PatsFan2 said:
What's wrong with what the OP said he's not wrong. How comes other Teams hit on Second Rounders and we are loaded with flame outs?? Winning covers everything?? Well we didn't win it all this year.

Read the first two sentences. Tell me an available GM to accomplish that. That’s all I’m trying to get here, a name.

SEA_Pat · Jan 7, 2020

I wonder whether our latest shift to take better advantage of the value that was out there (the mid-level FA market) has had an unexpected downside to it in that it has coincided with down years in drafting somehow.

Our team was on the younger side in the league not so long ago IIRC, and now we're one of the oldest. (Found a source - apparently we ARE the oldest team in the league: Ranking NFL teams by age after 53-man cutdowns: 2019 edition)

Our lack of top-end speed seems something that puts us at a disadvantage against the Ratbirds and Chiefs, while we were unable to smashmouth against big and tough teams like Tennessee. Are we stuck somewhere in the middle where we can't get past those sorts of teams on the edges of that spectrum but can beat everyone in-between? If so, we're going to have difficulty winning #7.

mgteich · Jan 7, 2020

Is age the issue?

No problem.

We'll be a lot younger when/if we lose Brady, Edelman, Watson, Dorsett, Van Noy, Collins, Chung and the McCourty brothers.

SEA_Pat said:
I wonder whether our latest shift to take better advantage of the value that was out there (the mid-level FA market) has had an unexpected downside to it in that it has coincided with down years in drafting somehow.

Our team was on the younger side in the league not so long ago IIRC, and now we're one of the oldest. (Found a source - apparently we ARE the oldest team in the league: Ranking NFL teams by age after 53-man cutdowns: 2019 edition)

Our lack of top-end speed seems something that puts us at a disadvantage against the Ratbirds and Chiefs, while we were unable to smashmouth against big and tough teams like Tennessee. Are we stuck somewhere in the middle where we can't get past those sorts of teams on the edges of that spectrum but can beat everyone in-between? If so, we're going to have difficulty winning #7.

FCB02062 · Jan 7, 2020

IF IF IF Brady stays...it makes sense to bring back Amendola and jettison useless Dorsett, if Belichick and/or Krafty Bob didn't burn that bridge. Put up good numbers even with back up/ third string qb throwing to him in Detroit (31 catches/302 yards in the 7 games after Stafford got hurt). Had 36 first downs, which obliterates any Pats receiver not named Edelman...

Jimke · Jan 7, 2020

mgteich said:
Is age the issue?

No problem.

We'll be a lot younger when/if we lose Brady, Edelman, Watson, Dorsett, Van Noy, Collins, Chung and the McCourty brothers.

We'll also be lousier after we lose these players.

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