The Pats need a new direction on draft/FA signings

I hear John Dorsey and Mike MacCagnan are available.

First things first

need to see what happens with McDaniel and Brady

once that is settled, then draft / FA

fnordcircle said:

No they don't.

Their unprecedented success absolutely validates BB's approach.

The constant mewling from entitled POS fans means nothing when you're talking about a level of success fans of other teams can only dream about. I really wish some of you weren't such bitter people that you couldn't enjoy a team whose success isn't merely once in a lifetime but almost certainly something that will only happen once in the history of the entire league.

Just sit down, stfu and enjoy what you were given ffs.

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Sorry fnord, but i think you are the one being entitled

entitled

adjective

1. believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

The Patriots should be treated like any other team in the NFL, as a business-football enterprise. I think we both agree on that. So why should we excuse an area that clearly lacking?

In general terms: If one-team (no names) can't ever draft a position well - or hardly ever - shouldn't that be scrutinized? So why are you not acknowledging that we have been like this with receivers?

It doesn't diminish BB's status... He's the best. He's gBut he isn't perfect.

UptownPatsFan said:

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On these past years, I think BB has really made short-term a priority in his team-building process.

I think it will all come down to TB's contract.

JayNM said:

Sorry fnord, but i think you are the one being entitled

entitled

adjective

1. believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

The Patriots should be treated like any other team in the NFL, as a business-football enterprise. I think we both agree on that. So why should we excuse an area that clearly lacking?

In general terms: If one-team (no names) can't ever draft a position well - or hardly ever - shouldn't that be scrutinized? So why are you not acknowledging that we have been like this with receivers?

It doesn't diminish BB's status... He's the best. He's gBut he isn't perfect.

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Dude, seriously. Nobody is saying that they're perfect. They've whiffed plenty of times. This whole 'why aren't we allowed to criticize' Belichick canard is either ignorance or bad faith.

Where the entitlement comes in is when people are unable to appreciate the entire body of work - factoring in mistakes and successes - and instead start acting like Belichick has personally injured them by not putting together a roster and scheme that was able to win it all.

Honestly, trying to turn that around to me being entitled is the dumbest **** I've read here in a while.

fnordcircle said:

Dude, seriously. Nobody is saying that they're perfect. They've whiffed plenty of times. This whole 'why aren't we allowed to criticize' Belichick canard is either ignorance or bad faith.

Where the entitlement comes in is when people are unable to appreciate the entire body of work - factoring in mistakes and successes - and instead start acting like Belichick has personally injured them by not putting together a roster and scheme that was able to win it all.

Honestly, trying to turn that around to me being entitled is the dumbest **** I've read here in a while.

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We agree that BB has masterfully managed an era of salary cap. And we agree that he has created a great place to find and develop players through the draft. Except at WR. It's a place where critiscism is valid.

I haven't seen anything on the OP's that would discredit BB's history. He's putting forward one area where we have been very poor and thusly it is open to critiscim...

Not doing so, because everything else is so fantastic, would be treating the team in special regard. So that's why I said it.

But maybe the whole thing with the word didn't work for real, but English is my 3rd language

TomPatriot said:

All true, but Gronk/Allen were much better blockers than Watson/LaCosse and that mattered too.

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Not nearly as much as the loss of Wynn/Andrews/Develin. We saw such a major change just by getting Wynn back when we did.

Wingy said:

Great insults. Thumbs up.

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Stating fact about you and your posts.

Wingy said:

I will say that you are right, and correct that you can’t judge a draft class after their first year. I was absolutely wrong to state it like I did. So is it “horrendous”? ...agreed that’s completely unfair. I used that statement though with regard to impact this year which has been damn weak. 7 of 10? C’mon, you know most of those guys barely played.

The impact a class has in year one does have to be a factor in how the GM’s performance is viewed in the context of your team situation. This is a win now team.

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This has NEVER been a win now team. EVER. The fact that you think BB would change that shows how little you know.

Wingy said:

Someone made a parallel to the 2009 Draft. Brady was a decade younger. We could afford to look more towards the future then, and stash rookies away.

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Newsflash for you, Wingnutjob. There are no parallels between this last draft and the 2009 draft. BB has always drafted with the future in mind. Not solely the present.

Now, he’s 42, and you can’t wait to have the best value drafted player MAYBE show that value 2, 3, 4 years from now while ignoring bigger needs in the process.

Wingy said:

Your master class on the depth chart works against you. Why are we trading up in the 2nd (Williams) to pick another player in our strongest area?

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Because they have Williams pegged to replace Patrick Chung moving forward. Someone who can cover TEs, Bigger Receivers and RBs. It's why they ALSO drafted Kenny Webster, whom they were trying to get to the PS but Flores snagged.

Wingy said:

Why are we spending a 3rd on a RB when we have 3 good ones on the roster already, and it’s one of the most replaceable positions in the game?

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You really should answer these questions yourself. Or are you too lazy to do so? They added Harris with a middle/late 3rd round pick for a variety of reasons. One. Sony Michel's knees. Two. Rex Burkhead's injury-proneness. You know. The guy who missed 6 games his 1st year with the Pats and 8 games his 2nd year. This was a "good" year for Rex in that he only missed 3 games.

The problem is that you seem to think that the Patriots are in a "WIN NOW" mode. In the 20 years that BB has been the one making the decisions, he's never taken that approach. You thinking that he's going to take that approach because of Brady? He's not like that. He knows players come and go. He has to do his best to make sure his team will excel going forward with the players it has.

UptownPatsFan said:

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Where's the pick from trading Hollister to the Seahawks?

DaBruinz said:

Where's the pick from trading Hollister to the Seahawks?

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You need to click on the tweet to see all the picks

Of note. The Patriots had 5 "street free agents" last year. Players that they cut or didn't tender.

Adrian Clayborn (cut)
Dwayne Allen (cut)
Cody Hollister (waived)
Riley McCarron (waived)
Darren Andrews (cut).

DaBruinz said:

Where's the pick from trading Hollister to the Seahawks?

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Ahh.. for some reason I though they were all showing..

JayNM said:

We agree that BB has masterfully managed an era of salary cap. And we agree that he has created a great place to find and develop players through the draft. Except at WR. It's a place where critiscism is valid.

I haven't seen anything on the OP's that would discredit BB's history. He's putting forward one area where we have been very poor and thusly it is open to critiscim...

Not doing so, because everything else is so fantastic, would be treating the team in special regard. So that's why I said it.

But maybe the whole thing with the word didn't work for real, but English is my 3rd language

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We have had, on average, during bbs tenure a well above average wr/te group.

Ring 6 said:

We have had, on average, during bbs tenure a well above average wr/te group.

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Im talking about drafting WRs, specifically

Russel Wilson making a point to say how smart Metcalf is and how fast he picked up the offense and how hard he studied is making me die a little bit on the inside.

JayNM said:

Im talking about drafting WRs, specifically

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I’m not because you can’t take it out of context.
They have used less draft pick value in wrs than any team in the league. By far.
And the goal isn’t to be rated as a drafter it’s to win.

TB_Helmet said:

Russel Wilson making a point to say how smart Metcalf is and how fast he picked up the offense and how hard he studied is making me die a little bit on the inside.

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Sadly we could have still taken Harry #1, taken Metcalf #2 and Knox #3.

My God, some upside and future. And many wanted to double dip at WR this year, it's not second guessing.

On the upside, we have Sanu instead of a #2 in perhaps the deepest WR draft ever. I hate to say it to Bill is getting what he deserves.

TE and OL is the biggest offensive needs especially since we will have to make Harry a focal point next year, our first round pick can't be a bust after one season. None of the good TE's are available this season. Cook signed a two year deal with the Saints, Ertz signed a 5 year extension in 2016 which means he is not a free agent till after the 2020 season and O.J Howard is also not available. A couple of good drafts went by without addressing this need !!

Ring 6 said:

They won the Sb LAST YEAR. They were in the Sb 2 years ago. They win the sb 3 years ago. They won the Sb 5 years ago. They just ended a 8 year run of going at least to the final 4. You really are an idiot and you are doubling down with each post.

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You know, when the Pats made the first SB in 1985, I felt I was good for 3 years, if they won or lost, I was OK because they made the SB. When they won the SB in 2001, I thought, I was good for 6 years. So now, in my mind, with the SB appearances and wins over the years, I am good for what, 21 years? I am happy with a 12-4 season and a wild card game.