PFT: Brady "Unlikely" to Retire

The supporting cast is a joke. Even Edelman stunk.

How do we get better players???? Resign AB!!!!

PatsFan2 said:

The Homers here won't have it OBJ is a selfish premadonna scum or haven't you heard??

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Belichick will train him like a dog. He'll learn to keep his mouth shut and play. That's the price you're expected to pay when you come to play in NE.

Howerd will be traded for. You asked how we're going to play for all of them? With draft picks. We will have amassed a crap load of them through compensatory picks.

Gronkowski123 said:

The supporting cast is a joke. Even Edelman stunk.

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He had a horrible drop at a crucial time for sure. It’s not a good combo when your most injured WR is really your only legitimate threat to a defense.

I think Brady will be back with the Patriots and will continue to be back until he announces "this will be my last season." I'm not sure this is a good thing -- despite occasional moments looking like he did a few seasons ago, I think Brady was pretty bad this year independent of the struggles of his supporting cast, and he looked completely disinterested in the end -- but I think it's what will happen.

I'm more concerned about what's around Brady and whether they'll be priced out on Thuney, Van Noy, and McCourty. The defense will still be extremely good and even a diminished Brady can still win as a caretaker QB.

dannydyn said:

That's what you fail to understand though. Another team with good supportive cast is an already playoff contender, and all set at the QB position.

I mean who are these teams with good supporting casts? Ravens? Niners? Packers? They all have great casts but are also set at QB.

Any team who's QB needy is a bottom feeder. Who is going to play for? Which means need a QB? Bengals? Broncos? LOL... Tom is good, but even Tom can't compensate for lack of talent (see this year's talent). You need system, you need great coaches, etc.

Brady won't win **** with any team out there that needs a QB. Teams that have good rosters are all set at QB, and teams that need a QB are **** all around, and Brady knows he won't win Jack with those organizations.

At 43 I don't see him telling his wife and kids they are moving to the South, the West, or anywhere in between.

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There are a couple teams with decent defenses and decent supporting casts. The Chargers and Bears. They are not bottom feeders.

I should also add that with the uncertainty on our entire defense (i.e. the status of the McCourtys, Chung, Jon Jones, Hightower, Van Noy, Jamie Collins), and some key players on offense (Edelman, Thuney, Andrews, Brady), this team is going to need to do a lot of retooling.

& our draft resources given some of the trades (Sanu) are not stellar.

In fact, you can look at the Sanu trade in a variety of ways:

1. We were desperate and had to get someone, anyone.
2. Belichick fell too much in love with another Rutgers guy.
3. Worst of all: Belichick realized that this was the entire team's last hurrah and he knew that a top WR was absolutely required for one last shot.

If, internally, the Patriots believed this was it for this particular team (and here I'm referring to Brady, Edelman, and all the guys mentioned on defense) then it would not surprise me if the Patriots move on without Brady.

We may be looking at a rebuilding year. Not a retooling year. Even Gilmore could be on the block.

PatsFan2 said:

IF I was Brady I wouldn't come back to this Untalented Team on the Offensve side of the ball. We have no real threat at WR: Zero TE's and a Second year First Round RB who's just average. Brady needs to go to a Team with a good supporting cast. Not a Team with Harry and Sanu who can't get separation. Brady has Two years left Tops I wouldn't waste them here. Too bad we Drafted poorly in a good Draft year. We still need WR's and TE's: Brady ain't wasting his Final years with Rookies and I wouldn't blame him.

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What you are saying is 100% true. The attrition will continue with the possible loss
of up to 18 free agents including 7 starters and three key special teams players. This
is probably also the year McDaniels and Caserio move to greener pastures. How many
coaches and front office personnel will join them? In the shadows lurks the video
situation. How big a kick in the ass will Roger deliver? Belichick is faced with a massive
rebuilding job with an aging team and little salary cap money.

I would love to see him finishing the career with the Pats, but I wouldn't hold it against him if he decides to go elsewhere.

dannydyn said:

As I said dozens of times here, Brady is 43 this year. He has made enough money, he's not chasing money. He's chasing Lombardis.

He's not uprooting his whole family to another state just to make a few more dollars. He knows he needs Belichick, his system, and Kraft as leverage to win anything.

At 43 he's not going to learn a new offensive system, get acquainted with new OC, new HC, dozens of players, etc.

He's staying right here. They'll resign him for 2 more years, retool the offense, and give this dynasty another couple of shots.

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That would be nice if he comes back for another two years, but I see it as unlikely without significant personnel changes. He’s never really tried to dictate the personnel around him, but with 2-3 years left, he wants a solid O-line and real weapons on offense. Not weapons who might be good when he is done, but weapons now. As for the system, there are a lot of former a Pats coaches around the league who have run it and what Daniels runs is not the same as O’Brian and not the same as Weiss.

upstater1 said:

I should also add that with the uncertainty on our entire defense (i.e. the status of the McCourtys, Chung, Jon Jones, Hightower, Van Noy, Jamie Collins), and some key players on offense (Edelman, Thuney, Andrews, Brady), this team is going to need to do a lot of retooling.

& our draft resources given some of the trades (Sanu) are not stellar.

In fact, you can look at the Sanu trade in a variety of ways:

1. We were desperate and had to get someone, anyone.
2. Belichick fell too much in love with another Rutgers guy.
3. Worst of all: Belichick realized that this was the entire team's last hurrah and he knew that a top WR was absolutely required for one last shot.

If, internally, the Patriots believed this was it for this particular team (and here I'm referring to Brady, Edelman, and all the guys mentioned on defense) then it would not surprise me if the Patriots move on without Brady.

We may be looking at a rebuilding year. Not a retooling year. Even Gilmore could be on the block.

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I think people are a bit harsh with Sanu. He's a complementary player who's excelled in other places as a secondary option to All Pro caliber receivers like Julio Jones and AJ Green. He came in midseason and had to learn an entire offense, then promptly got hurt in his first game and was walking wounded for most of the season. He clearly was still learning the offense. He was late into several releases last night, including once not getting off on the snap for a full second because he was looking at his wristband (presumably a cheat sheet with audible calls) when the ball was snapped. That's not a talent issue, it's just a natural result of acquiring a receiver midseason. And the only guys seemingly available were Sanu and Sanders, and they couldn't fit Sanders' contract because of the Brown fiasco.

The advantage to acquiring Sanu was that he's still signed and he's on a team-friendly contract. He's not just a rental and he's still in his prime so there's no real concern he's going to lose it physically, and he's been a good player in multiple offenses so there's no real reason to think he's a product of a system or something.

I think he'll be much better next year with a full camp, but they need someone to step up because Edelman's breaking down and Sanu is not a top flight guy, he's a better Hogan or LaFell type. I'm not convinced Harry is that guy, but maybe he'll have a DJ Chark renaissance in his sophomore season. Or maybe they'll acquire a Beckham or something.

TommyBrady12 said:

This is a team that has won 3 out of the past 5 super bowls. They'll figure it out. I bet you were one of the ones who were jumping off a cliff after 2017.

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Why would anyone jump off a cliff after 2017? Pissed they lost to the Eagles, but Brady passed for 500 yards in that loss

skinnydog said:

Why would anyone jump off a cliff after 2017? Pissed they lost to the Eagles, but Brady passed for 500 yards in that loss

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Lots of Patsfans dot com posters (I mean, take that for what it's worth) declared the dynasty dead and buried and wanted to blow it all up after that game.

Assuming Andrews comes back and with Karras and Wynn playing solid late this year I feel pretty good about the OL. (maybe one of the 2 2019 picks becomes a rotational player)
Tight End to me is the key - if they can somehow come up with a 2 way TE it will solve a ton of their issues. Hope that Harry and Sanu make a 2nd year jump and try and bring on someone like OBJ and with a healthier Edelman the WR's could be fine. See if Brady will come back on an incentive laden deal and the offense should be good enough to make a run.

archstanton543 said:

It's not really a report. He flat out said that in his presser.

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Seriously. I don’t understand this forums infatuation with PFT. He’s not that good.

I know he said it’s unlikely but it’s still early.

If it doesn’t work out to come back here, and if he doesn’t find another suitor that will give him a sufficient amount of talent to where he feels he can go out and win #7.... that may change his mind.

Jimke said:

What you are saying is 100% true. The attrition will continue with the possible loss
of up to 18 free agents including 7 starters and three key special teams players. This
is probably also the year McDaniels and Caserio move to greener pastures. How many
coaches and front office personnel will join them? In the shadows lurks the video
situation. How big a kick in the ass will Roger deliver? Belichick is faced with a massive
rebuilding job with an aging team and little salary cap money.

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And McDaniels is likely to sign one or two of the free agents.

Doctor DDS said:

Assuming Andrews comes back and with Karras and Wynn playing solid late this year I feel pretty good about the OL. (maybe one of the 2 2019 picks becomes a rotational player)
Tight End to me is the key - if they can somehow come up with a 2 way TE it will solve a ton of their issues. Hope that Harry and Sanu make a 2nd year jump and try and bring on someone like OBJ and with a healthier Edelman the WR's could be fine. See if Brady will come back on an incentive laden deal and the offense should be good enough to make a run.

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Would be nice if Andrews comes back. He was around for some off field team events, so that's a good sign. I never knew how good he was until we didn't have him. Wynn, was solid but not spectacular. Thuney is a free agent. Do they pay big money to both guard positions? Mason was either hurt all season or not as good as thought (I thought he looked better lately). Cannon looks done. this O-Line could not punch it in with three runs from the 1 yard line against the Titans. On none of those plays did they get a decent push against the Titan's front 7. Hard to feel pretty good about that going forward.

skinnydog said:

Why would anyone jump off a cliff after 2017? Pissed they lost to the Eagles, but Brady passed for 500 yards in that loss

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See Malcolm Butler threads circa February 2018...

gobesmug said:

What about Brady to the Browns? If Josh goes there, they have 50 mil in cap space. Baker Mayfield regressed this year, so having 1 or 2 years to learn from the bench might benefit him.

In Cleveland, Brady would have OBJ and Landry, Njouka, and an Elite RB in Chubb. The Browns could also sign AB and give Brady the best Wrs core he has ever played with.

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McDaniels alone is not enough of an incentive for Brady to uproot his whole family at 43 and move to another region of the country, let alone for the Browns. Kitchens is gone over there, they are clearly sticking with Baker, and on top of that there have been reports of McDaniels eager to take the Browns HC job and work with Baker. Brady isn't going to that pile of dog$hit. OBJ will be traded, he's not happy there and he has made it clear.