The Pats need a new direction on draft/FA signings

varjao said:

Stop looking to the past , look at the team BB assembled this year. In the last SB Edelman won the MVP because he was the only receiver who could make a catch. Even a jag like Hogan is missed.

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Varjao, this will make you feel better. Watch till the end to see the twist. Riveting stuff.

p.s. i don't know how I got to this video on the interweb, but it is what it is.
Whoever recruits these guys needs to be fired. Do people pay money to go watch this?
BTW, i am trying to save your thread.

FCB02062 said:

How bout actually drafting guys that can contribute their rookie years and not redshirting / put on IR half your picks every season?

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You know the Pats pick at the end of rounds because we're always making the SB or AFCCG right?

varjao said:

The Pats need a Professional GM with total autonomy.

I don't know how would they work this out, but I think BB should stay only on coaching duty. Obviously he can have a say here and there, but the Pats needs to reevaluate all ther scouting and draft process. The results aren't good enough. Our best WR is a 7th rounder QB converted to WR. When they don't get lucky to have Gronks or Hernandez slid to them, they don't do well enough.

You can't make this stuff, why did they spent high draft picks in a RB and a CB who never saw the field, when last February, in the SB was pretty clear this offense was flawed. They only had Edelman back then at WR, one year has passed and didn't change. No Gronk? Ok let's not worry about even try to draft a TE in the higher rounds.

Im not pulling that BS card BB the GM is killing BB the coach. It's just business, the drafts haven't been good, the FA signings pretty questionable and there's a need for acountability. You have a 42 years old playing with a bunch of homeless, give me a break, they should do better than that.

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BB and Caesario had a couple of bad calls but the biggest fck up was dictated by Bend Over Bob so can't blame him for that. Plus Gordon bailing on us backfired but I don't remember a ton of people critisizing BB at start of the season for retaining Gordon. The obvious issues were lack of WR help (and they tried with Adam Humphries but clearly should have tried for trade early in offseason instead of wasting a 2nd rounder later at useless Sanu). And then probably the most glaring was the TE position which crippled the running game as well as hit the passing game. Still, one bad season of FO performance doesn't mean personnel turnover. They need to learn from their mistakes, and I am sure they will, and keep trucking.

Biffins said:

BB and Caesario had a couple of bad calls but the biggest fck up was dictated by Bend Over Bob so can't blame him for that. Plus Gordon bailing on us backfired but I don't remember a ton of people critisizing BB at start of the season for retaining Gordon. The obvious issues were lack of WR help (and they tried with Adam Humphries but clearly should have tried for trade early in offseason instead of wasting a 2nd rounder later at useless Sanu). And then probably the most glaring was the TE position which crippled the running game as well as hit the passing game. Still, one bad season of FO performance doesn't mean personnel turnover. They need to learn from their mistakes, and I am sure they will, and keep trucking.

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Keep pissing on the girl (Kraft) who got you to the dance.

Draft and FA wise, and even trade wise, Belichick has been subpar. We wouldn’t be in this position if it weren’t true.

Offense has ZERO explosiveness, who’s fault is that ? When the #1 WR is on the board (DK Metcalf), and you take the least explosive one, who’s fault is that ? When you don’t double down during a DEEP WR draft, who’s fault is that ?

When you KNOW that your ONLY decent pass catching TE is leaning towards retirement, and you ignore that position for two of the deepest TE drafts ever, who’s fault is that ?

This offense is horrible because of bad drafting. Every year they waste draft capital trading UP to take ****ty DBs, when they NEED offense. Whenever good offensive players are available they trade down or out. It’s been bad for 5 years. Some decent players. But you can’t tell me there weren’t good TEs or WRs available that Belichick just outright passes up. Every year, we hear the same BS, “Obviously Belichick didn’t think highly of this TE (or WR) class”.

You can call me entitled or whatever the **** you wanna call me, I don’t give a ****. Been a fan since 1975. I’m just pissed that Belichick didnt give Brady the weapons through the draft in his twilight years. Especially since we had ****loads of draft capital the last few years.

I know, I know, Belichick, results, etc. But he is solely the reason this dynasty is ending. It’s going to be a long rebuild. And just think, we go into this offseason with no 2nd round pick due to ****ty Sanu, and god knows what we’ll be penalized due to spy gate 2. Maybe it’s good they won’t be able to use a 2nd round pick on another ****ty DB.

archstanton543 said:

Keep pissing on the girl (Kraft) who got you to the dance.

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Wasn't Bob

Needing “a change” is swinging the pendulum too far, but BB does deserve to get ripped for this horrendous 2019 draft class.

I’ve said it before, but you can not afford to red shirt basically an entire draft class when you have SB aspirations, and an aging roster (most notably the 42 y/o QB).

Sometimes there’s just too much “smartest guy in the room” here...is MAYBE getting a value pick in guys like Cajuste really worth it? Of course not, yet here we are.

Killing? idk... but Bill the GM certainly hasn’t been doing himself any favors as of late. Sony looked more like a 35 y/o RB tonight

Wingy said:

Needing “a change” is swinging the pendulum too far, but BB does deserve to get ripped for this horrendous 2019 draft class.

I’ve said it before, but you can not afford to red shirt basically an entire draft class when you have SB aspirations, and an aging roster (most notably the 42 y/o QB).

Sometimes there’s just too much “smartest guy in the room” here...is MAYBE getting a value pick in guys like Cajuste really worth it? Of course not, yet here we are.

Killing? idk... but Bill the GM certainly hasn’t been doing himself any favors as of late. Sony looked more like a 35 y/o RB tonight

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Other than taking a RB and no TE's, I don't see how he could have foreseen Fojolt and Cajuste (however you spell their names) getting hurt in camp/preseason.

Who should be the new GM? These major change threads always go on too damn long without anybody ever giving names of who is both better and available.

Sciz said:

Who? These major change threads always go on too damn long without anybody ever giving names of who is both better and available.

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There are plenty of threads around here who compare who the Pats drafted and who was drafted ahead or behind them.

archstanton543 said:

There are plenty of threads around here who compare who the Pats drafted and who was drafted ahead or behind them.

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The proposed new GM, I mean.

archstanton543 said:

Other than taking a RB and no TE's, I don't see how he could have foreseen Fojolt and Cajuste (however you spell their names) getting hurt in camp/preseason.

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Cajuste had offseason quad surgery with a 3 month recovery time headed into the season. Shocker the guy wasn’t ready for the rigors of the pro game.

At least he wasn’t a 1st rounder like another smartest guy in the room pick like Dominique Easley!

archstanton543 said:

Other than taking a RB and no TE's, I don't see how he could have foreseen Fojolt and Cajuste (however you spell their names) getting hurt in camp/preseason.

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Seems EVERY year’s draft class gets hurt and misses the whole season. Maybe the strength and conditioning coach needs a change.

Honestly, I’m not gonna invest in the draft like I used to. So tired of getting pissed off, seeing obvious picks the Pats should make, they don’t make the pick, and the guy becomes a stud for another team.

Prime example. 2nd round, 2019, Pats had TWO second round picks. They trade up to take CB SlowJuan Williams. Who was selected in the slots the Pats had ? WR Mecole Hardman and WR DK Metcalf. Tell me this offense couldn’t have used their explosiveness. Hardman is an excellent return man as well. Instead he goes to KC, who has a ****load of explosiveness already on offense. Just AWFUL moves like that. And I knew it immediately when they made the trade. Tons of example like that, anyone remember 2nd round pick CB Duck Dawson, another horrible move. Lasted ONE year.

Secondary was an area of strength, and that was before we even knew Dawson (another wasted 2nd rd pick) was on his way out. Then we trade up to take Joejuan like he was some kind of BPA type.

Then we take Harris when we just spent a 1st on Sony, and have White/Rex?

You can dislike and disagree all you want. The logic was bad then at the draft, and the results also suck at the end of the day.

Gee, nothing like dismissing a draft class after their rookie year. I think you should inform Harry & Winovich that they are busts and can pack up and leave.

Wingy said:

I’ve said it before, but you can not afford to red shirt basically an entire draft class when you have SB aspirations, and an aging roster (most notably the 42 y/o QB).

Sometimes there’s just too much “smartest guy in the room” here...is MAYBE getting a value pick in guys like Cajuste really worth it? Of course not, yet here we are.

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Yeah I agree with this but Belichick dont. He never worked with the concept of window or going all in in a season, and I respect that. Its a matter of philosophy, the guy is a winner, the biggest in the sport, we have to respect.

But really sometimes they should just make the pick instead of going to this extra pick trying to extend their chances to hit on a player. last year on the 2nd round they made a mess trading down and up, in the end they lost draft value on those transactions and from two 2nd round selections they made only one, who never saw the field, in a position with less need in the entire roster. Really? Wasnt double deep at WR in a loaded draft something very reasonable? I love Edelman, but they trusted him too much, he was already 32 in the SB, a business man like BB should know better, it was not only a present need but also drafting for the future.

In the end the best player we drafted was a 5th rounder punter of course based on this small sample of one year. I think Vinowich will be fine as well.

archstanton543 said:

You know the Pats pick at the end of rounds because we're always making the SB or AFCCG right?

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Still great talent available at those slots. Look at who we picked and who was available in early round 2.

What the Pats really need is a ST coach who believes in having a punt returner line up where he could actually field a punt instead of letting the other team pin us on our 1 yard line. Said ST coach could also, perhaps, whisper in our punters ear that when he punts from within the other teams territory it might be a good idea not to consistently punt it into the end zone.

That would help greatly.

I love people shytting on the guy who created the dynasty because they now think it’s over.

I don’t know how anyone can’t see the ridiculousness in it.

Is BB perfect? No. But he is the best ever. These numb nuts second guessing his methods is laughable.

shmessy said:

What the Pats really need is a ST coach who believes in having a punt returner line up where he could actually field a punt instead of letting the other team pin us on our 1 yard line. Said ST coach could also, perhaps, whisper in our punters ear that when he punts from within the other teams territory it might be a good idea not to consistently punt it into the end zone.

That would help greatly.

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Said Special Teams coach is going to be the head coach somewhere else next year.