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Sounds like there will be either no draft pick or a mid to low one involved.



That means there should be a fine. Game day violations are fine worthy. Any draft pick taken would be unjust.
 
One other thing, as they went after texts and emails you KNOW they were hoping to find other violations. Good to see they haven't.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...otball-staff-patriots-sideline-video-bengals/
The league’s investigation of the latest video incident involving the Patriots is winding down and could be completed as soon as this week, according to those people. They said it remains likely at this point, barring the last-minute uncovering of more damaging evidence, that the NFL will impose penalties consistent with those handed out in recent years in other cases of game-day infractions.

That would mean that the Patriots probably would be facing a fine in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and possibly the loss or reduction in value of a draft pick.

But there is no indication at this point that Belichick or the Patriots’ football staff has been tied to the video or that the investigation has uncovered evidence of a sustained, organized effort by the Patriots to gain a competitive on-field advantage, according to those people with knowledge of the case.
 
"Value gained" by any alleged infraction should weigh heavily on the extent of the investigation and timeliness of response. As has been stated before, The NFL always seems to go out of their way to give credibility to "cheating" allegations. It is truly bizarre why any entity would want to regularly call into question the validity of their own product.

These minor "cheating" incidents were mostly considered gamesmanship years ago and were part of the lore of the league. When the Elway Bronco's had vaseline on their jerseys they were told to wipe it off and given a small fine. No media outrage. Not covering the field properly before a playoff game or opening doors to create wind tunnels etc... were once chuckled at or considered home field advantage. Now, someone filming something in front of the other team is cause for outrage. I guess it's just being part of the current "it's not fair" culture/media.
 
The stupidity of draft pick loss for something that had nothing to do with football operations should be so obvious that such a penalty is not even considered conceivable.

The stupidity of monetary loss over something that was being done in order to bring in money is just the general stupidity of the types of fools who run sports leagues.
 
I agree that no picks should be taken but I’m fine with a fine. They did break the rule and the video crew is still part of the team.
 
They need to fire whoever was in charge of this video.

What an idiotic idea to begin with, that could only ever bring negative attention to the team.

.....and of course, it did.
 
They need to fire whoever was in charge of this video.

What an idiotic idea to begin with, that could only ever bring negative attention to the team.

.....and of course, it did.

Documenting the behind the scenes aspects of football, while we still have access to some of these old dudes, is a great thing to do to support the sport and extend fan interest. What the heck could be wrong with this?
 
Documenting the behind the scenes aspects of football, while we still have access to some of these old dudes, is a great thing to do to support the sport and extend fan interest. What the heck could be wrong with this?

You’re not supposed to record the sidelines from the press booth while a game is going on. They should have realized how that would look.
 
"Value gained" by any alleged infraction should weigh heavily on the extent of the investigation and timeliness of response. As has been stated before, The NFL always seems to go out of their way to give credibility to "cheating" allegations. It is truly bizarre why any entity would want to regularly call into question the validity of their own product.

These minor "cheating" incidents were mostly considered gamesmanship years ago and were part of the lore of the league. When the Elway Bronco's had vaseline on their jerseys they were told to wipe it off and given a small fine. No media outrage. Not covering the field properly before a playoff game or opening doors to create wind tunnels etc... were once chuckled at or considered home field advantage. Now, someone filming something in front of the other team is cause for outrage. I guess it's just being part of the current "it's not fair" culture/media.
This is what the NFL has come to under Goodell. Although goodell is only carrying out the wishes of his boss's
 
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You’re not supposed to record the sidelines from the press booth while a game is going on. They should have realized how that would look.

Sure, but that's just a detail. I'm responding to posts that say the entire video production shouldn't have been done. I disagree.

All they failed to do was get adequate permission, and/or properly supervise a contractor.
 
Well I certainly hope this report is true. We’ll see once everything is done, though.
 
The stupidity of draft pick loss for something that had nothing to do with football operations should be so obvious that such a penalty is not even considered conceivable.

The stupidity of monetary loss over something that was being done in order to bring in money is just the general stupidity of the types of fools who run sports leagues.
But the 32... but the years of cheating... but the integrity !
 
Recap of cheating scandals by Patriots:

Illegal Sideline Videotaping (Spygate)

After Belichick and Mangini engage in mutual gamesmanship in taping signals, Mangini decides to tattle tale to his parents. The Patriots acknowledge immediately that they were involved in taping opponents signals to decipher tendencies, though they don’t think it’s a big deal.

Verdict: Guilty, of something much less nefarious than the headlines and punishment suggest. Patriots immediately cooperate and acknowledge their practices. Many former coaches say this is gamesmanship, and it’s widely believed that Mangini had taped them the previous season; Mangini himself calls the scandal overblown and regrets reporting incident after media sht storm.

Rams Practice/Walkthrough Taping

John Thomase prints article on even of SB42 claiming to have evidence that the Patriots taped Rams practice in SB36. League is outraged and even congressional discussion takes place.

Verdict: Not guilty. Matt Walsh (the source) who claims to have the Rams video shows up with a nothingburger.

Headset Gate

Mike Tomlin btches and moans that headset communications frequently go out in Foxboro and accuses the Patriots of cheating.

Verdict: Not guilty. In a much less circulated story (as usual) it is establishes that NFL staffers, not the Patriots, are responsible for headset communications. In addition, both teams are required to shut down headsets if one team’s does not work. Several reports show these communications are very common and there is no evidence that it happens more often in New England.

Ideal Gas Law Compliance (Deflategate)

We could write a novel about this, but the immediate report by Mortensen is inaccurate and never corrected; the leaks to the media re: ball pressures are fake. The report that the Colts balls showed no pressure loss is fake.

Verdict: Not guilty. Virtually every scientific analysis, with the exception of the fake propaganda “science” firm called Exponent, proves the Patriots deflation is minor and fully explained by ideal gas law. The entire report is a complete rail road job; the league admits through leaks that this isn’t about deflated balls but as an add-on to the sideline taping from 7 years ago (lol). The Deflategate curse destroys everyone involved in this fake scandal, as every team gets crushed by the Patriots, culminating in the outspoken Arthur Blank’s 28-3 collapse to Tom Brady in the outspoken Bob McNair’s stadium.

Wickersham’s Sham (ESPN hit piece)

Seth Wickersham sets Guinness Book of World Records for longest article without a named source. At least a dozen “unnamed sources” gossip and complain about possible Patriots infractions, most of them not even against the rules. These range from the other team’s Gatorade being warm to digging through trash cans to find playbooks.

Verdict: Not guilty. Not a single accusation is actually proven. Belichick addresses the report in a snarky response pointing out the obvious cowardly attack.

Marty Hurney’s Conspiracy Theory

With absolutely zero evidence, the spineless weasel known as Marty Hurney, GM of the Panthers during SB38, accuses the Patriots of cheating. He has no evidence to support his claim but hops on the excuse bandwagon.

Verdict: Not guilty. Beyond there being no proof, further review shows the entire Panthers offensive line was using PEDs via a shady team doctor. Hurney acknowledges this but brushes it aside as not “cheating” but an unfortunate choice.

Documentary Gate (SpyGate 2)

The Patriots, filming a documentary on advanced scouting, film the sidelines of their upcoming opponent, the 1-12 Bengals. The documentary crew is not part of team operations and is in plain view of Bengals security. Rather than accepting the misunderstanding and moving on, the big, bad Bengals kick and scream to the league, leak the part of the tape that looks damning out of context, and troll the Patriots by playing music during the game alluding to foul play and spying. The Patriots of course kick the sht out of the joke team.

Verdict: Not guilty (it appears.) While a rule violation occurred, Belichick denied any wrongdoing, and continues to be undefeated in the honesty department. The Patriots will almost surely get a massive, overblown penalty, since they’ve “been past offenders.” It’s incredibly ironic since they’ve had a cavity search full-time since 2007 while many other teams have gotten virtually no penalty despite being caught for greater, intentional infractions.
 
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"Value gained" by any alleged infraction should weigh heavily on the extent of the investigation and timeliness of response. As has been stated before, The NFL always seems to go out of their way to give credibility to "cheating" allegations. It is truly bizarre why any entity would want to regularly call into question the validity of their own product.

These minor "cheating" incidents were mostly considered gamesmanship years ago and were part of the lore of the league. When the Elway Bronco's had vaseline on their jerseys they were told to wipe it off and given a small fine. No media outrage. Not covering the field properly before a playoff game or opening doors to create wind tunnels etc... were once chuckled at or considered home field advantage. Now, someone filming something in front of the other team is cause for outrage. I guess it's just being part of the current "it's not fair" culture/media.

I was thinking about the incident with the Broncos offensive linemen coating their jerseys before a playoff game. In 2007-08, Schelerth was very vocal and over the top when commenting about the Patriots. When he was involved in cheating, this is what he had to say:

“Did I grease up my jersey, and use sticky substances on my gloves? You’re damn right,” Schlereth said recently. “What you call cheating is a fine line. It’s an interesting line. What we did, in the locker room, is called being creative. Certain cheating is snickered at, or applauded.”

The officials literally stopped the game and sent the Broncos linemen off the field to have their arms and jerseys wiped off. I couldn't find an isolated clip, but the entire game is on Youtube. Schelerth and company start getting sent off around the 30:48 mark. The announcers have a laugh about it and, as you mentioned, I don't recall any lasting outrage from the media or even Chiefs fans about this, even though KC lost that game, 14-10.

One other thing I noticed from that game: Go to the 29:50 mark to watch a replay of a RTP call on Elway. Mahomes drew a penalty on a similar shove against the Bears 2 weeks ago. People need to stop acting like protecting the QB is something that only started happening within the last 10 years or so.
 
That means there should be a fine. Game day violations are fine worthy. Any draft pick taken would be unjust.
Allow me to highlight a few words :
“should”
“pick”
“unjust”

Why does anyone on here trust RG to do what is right ?
 
Would like Schefter or Rapaport or someone else to confirm this report. Everyone is basing it off this one guys sources.
 
Documenting the behind the scenes aspects of football, while we still have access to some of these old dudes, is a great thing to do to support the sport and extend fan interest. What the heck could be wrong with this?
Sure, it’s a great idea to do it in your own building or when you’re the opponent on the road.

But you don’t film in another team’s stadium when you’re not even one of the two teams playing.

What exactly do you not get about the bad optics of it all?
 
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