Chad O Shea fired

Tony2046 said:

I thought it was if it's considered a promotion.

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Me too but someone posted links that that has apparently changed unless it's for HC a team can block it.

Just heard the Browns fired Dorsey. He was the reason they didn't interview McD last year. Maybe this year.

I do not think the Pats have any shot at getting Tua. He will be long gone before the Pats pick and I doubt they have enough to move up where he will likely go. If he is available for Pats in round 1, it likely means teams are completely scared off about his hip and in that case picking him in round one would be a huge risk.
Assuming Brady is gone, I think Stidham will get a chance to be the starter and they will either bring in a veteran as backup/tutor or possibly even let Kessler have the back up role.
The finances are such that next year Pats can not afford a starting veteran QB from outside the organization.

If Brady leaves, next year will be a re-tooling year. Expectations will be appropriately low and the pats may finally get :

1) high draft picks in 2021
2) higher priority in waiver wire
3) more cap space

With smart management it could be 2-3 years before they have the talent to make another run.

Chevrolet said:

I do not think the Pats have any shot at getting Tua. He will be long gone before the Pats pick and I doubt they have enough to move up where he will likely go. If he is available for Pats in round 1, it likely means teams are completely scared off about his hip and in that case picking him in round one would be a huge risk.
Assuming Brady is gone, I think Stidham will get a chance to be the starter and they will either bring in a veteran as backup/tutor or possibly even let Kessler have the back up role.
The finances are such that next year Pats can not afford a starting veteran QB from outside the organization.

If Brady leaves, next year will be a re-tooling year. Expectations will be appropriately low and the pats may finally get :

1) high draft picks in 2021
2) higher priority in waiver wire
3) more cap space

With smart management it could be 2-3 years before they have the talent to make another run.

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Stidham is as likely to be cut as he is to be the starter in 2020.

There seems to be a strong concensus that a coach should be primarily rated based on the team's play. I strongly disagree. That thinking is very simplistic and often leads to the wrong results.

A coach should be evaluated on how well he does all the things that a coach should be expected to do. This may or may not be closely related to the results in the area that they are coaching.

This is why it's not unusual for Coach of the Year recipients to be fired a couple of years later. (To be fair, this is a narrative based award. But it strongly aligns the change in team record with the supposed ability of the coach.) Really good coaches don't just forget how to coach. There are lots of reasons why a team may win/lose games or why an offense or defense takes a significant swing in their respective standings.

Really good leaders evaluate using really good criteria. And it's true that good coaching should typically be seen in the results. But, please, let's do the evaluation based on the 100 things that a coach does and how well he does them.

I think that are very few of us that know much at all about O'Shea's OC coaching in Miami. If you think that Flores is a good head coach, I think he's worth giving the benefit of the doubt that he has a better idea of what he's looking for in an OC and how O'Shea is matching up with that than we do. And our simplistic ideas are exactly that - simplistic and short-sighted.

How many times have I heard that BB wasn't a good coach in Cleveland because the Browns had a losing record over 5 years? That narrative was simply wrong and it had 5 years of wins and losses behind it. Yes, he's a better coach now. But this group think on coach evaluation is simply bad.

fnordcircle said:

Me too but someone posted links that that has apparently changed unless it's for HC a team can block it.

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On paper yes but generally speaking upwards moves are almost never blocked. Maybe at some point teams will stop respecting that unwritten rule and it will need to be codified.