Tom Brady: an honest take

Antdawg · Dec 30, 2019

venecol said:
This focus on declining QBR is such nonsense. There are 6 QBs with higher QBRs than Brady that will be watching the playoffs from their couch.

This has nothing to do with the original argument stated in the OP. The original argument is that Brady is in obvious decline and expecting him to reverse that course at age 43 is silly. It would be silly to expect him to maintain his level of play if no decline was even apparent. Again, he'll be 43.

Antdawg · Dec 30, 2019

luuked said:
In that case why can't he actually touch throw or hit anything even in the intermediate range ? That overthrow to Dorsett was comical.

All QBs still make bad throws, regardless of how their arm feels. He's also 42.

RobertWeathers · Dec 30, 2019

Ross12 said:
I honestly posted similar in some thread here yesterday wondering what Dalton would cost. He's been bad, but I just feel like he's not as bad as it looks. Tannehill used to look like utter garbage too but that seems to have turned around. I'm not saying Dalton would be great but I wouldn't be shocked if he was serviceable in the event Stidham didn't have the goods.

If Tom is not back in 2020 Dalton should absolutely be vetted. Thats as far as i'll go with that.

bormio · Dec 30, 2019

Ross12 said:
I honestly posted similar in some thread here yesterday wondering what Dalton would cost. He's been bad, but I just feel like he's not as bad as it looks. Tannehill used to look like utter garbage too but that seems to have turned around. I'm not saying Dalton would be great but I wouldn't be shocked if he was serviceable in the event Stidham didn't have the goods.

The Pats are not going to win with retreads. If Brady is done here, let the kid play and find out what he has

fightingirish595 · Dec 30, 2019

venecol said:
This focus on declining QBR is such nonsense. There are 6 QBs with higher QBRs than Brady that will be watching the playoffs from their couch. Brees is #3 in QBR and is playing WC round, just like Brady. Rodgers QBR is worse than Brady's yet he has a bye. Look at Allen (#24) in QBR, yet in the playoffs. The only thing that matters are wins.

This is about all 3 units playing in concert. Last few games team has a negative TO ratio, that needs to stop. D needs to step up and play flawless. WR need to stop dropping passes, Brady needs to be more accurate. BB/JMcD need to coach better. Its a team sport. Piling on Brady is a waste of time and meaningless.

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This is what sports is now. They try to quantify everything. Some of the new advanced stuff is good In sports but it can also be flawed.

luuked · Dec 30, 2019

Antdawg said:
All QBs still make bad throws, regardless of how their arm feels. He's also 42.

I dont care if he is 42 or 20. He will not get graded on a age-based curve. If he can't get it done then it is time to move on.

ivanvamp · Dec 30, 2019

Biffins said:
You want Brady for $5m?

ok man. Lol. Like seriously. Give me a break. Impossible to engage in a rational discussion.

I think you'll find me to be one of the more rational people around here. Maybe re-read my post and see what I actually said about the $5 million.

Antdawg · Dec 30, 2019

luuked said:
I dont care if he is 42 or 20. He will not get graded on a age-based curve. If he can't get it done then it is time to move on.

Totally agree and now is that time.

luuked · Dec 30, 2019

Antdawg said:
Totally agree and now is that time.

I disagree here. I think his elbow injury is much worse than what he lets anyone know and if he was healthy the entire offense would look better. Now what that means for his contract or next year I have no idea but I certainly disagree that he is done unless this is a chronic thing.

Foxypats · Dec 30, 2019

Most of you posters are conveniently forgetting that Tom was vintage Tom by getting us that TD with 3 minutes left to go up on the Dolphins. In this game it was the defense that lost it for us, pure and simple. We supposedly had the best defense in the league this year and they could not make even one stop when it mattered the most. One of our players has been in the discussion for DPOY and he had his worst game yesterday ! But yet Brady seems to be getting most the blame , I don't understand that.

venecol · Dec 30, 2019

Antdawg said:
This has nothing to do with the original argument stated in the OP. The original argument is that Brady is in obvious decline and expecting him to reverse that course at age 43 is silly. It would be silly to expect him to maintain his level of play if no decline was even apparent. Again, he'll be 43.

And you were shown a previous similar decline and he reversed it. The reality is you just don't know how he will respond next year. The only thing we know for sure is that he continues to break every longevity record there is because what he is doing is unprecedented. How many QBs have had 12 wins in a season at 42? That's the only question that matters.

iapatsfan · Dec 30, 2019

I did not watch any post game interviews. Did Brady say who he was trying to get the Pick 6 to? Just curious.

rochrist · Dec 30, 2019

Doctor DDS said:
Brady certainly had a poor statistical season and the question is whether it is due to his decline or a lack of talent similar to what he had in 2013. My sense is that it is a little of both. Sees unlikely Brady will ever be able to stay completely healthy and return to a top 2 or 3 QB but with better weapons I don't see why Brady can't be top 7 or 8 and be the clutch playoff QB we have seen year after year. My hope is that they can agree to a 1 year incentive laden contract that is reasonable on the cap and fair to Brady. Make one more run then hope that Stidham has the goods to take the top spot in 2021.

Regarding JG, I could have sworn he missed most of last season due to injury but I must have read that wrong.

What does him missing last year have to do with anything? That happened to TB too one year. Every QB is one play away from having his knee shredded at all times.

bormio · Dec 30, 2019

Foxypats said:
Most of you posters are conveniently forgetting that Tom was vintage Tom by getting us that TD with 3 minutes left to go up on the Dolphins. In this game it was the defense that lost it for us, pure and simple. We supposedly had the best defense in the league this year and they could not make even one stop when it mattered the most. One of our players has been in the discussion for DPOY and he had his worst game yesterday ! But yet Brady seems to be getting most the blame , I don't understand that.

That’s like saying the defense lost SB 42

iapatsfan · Dec 30, 2019

Foxypats said:
Most of you posters are conveniently forgetting that Tom was vintage Tom by getting us that TD with 3 minutes left to go up on the Dolphins. In this game it was the defense that lost it for us, pure and simple. We supposedly had the best defense in the league this year and they could not make even one stop when it mattered the most. One of our players has been in the discussion for DPOY and he had his worst game yesterday ! But yet Brady seems to be getting most the blame , I don't understand that.

Barely over 50% vs. that defense and a Pick 6. Yes, he deserves his share of the blame. He had all day to throw for the most part, and he couldn't make a play. Even the throw for the TD to Roberts was an awful pass. The D was terrible, but so was Brady.

Antdawg · Dec 30, 2019

venecol said:
And you were shown a previous similar decline and he reversed it. The reality is you just don't know how he will respond next year. The only thing we know for sure is that he continues to break every longevity record there is because what he is doing is unprecedented. How many QBs have had 12 wins in a season at 42? That's the only question that matters.

You're right. He'll be an elite QB until at least age 50. I'm not worried at all about our future, as BB has easily another 25 years in the tank. Enough time to live out Brady's prime through the 2028 season and coach his replacement to greatness and a similar career to Brady's.

Wingy · Dec 30, 2019

Agreed he's not as good, and declining...duh. Is he good enough with a stronger cast to still compete for SBs...at least for next year? I think that's a 'yes.'

Most any rational person will agree the end is coming very soon. On the other hand, I'm not seeing alternatives that viably outweigh even a low % shot at another Super Bowl.

Baltimore looks like a juggernaut now, but injuries hit every team. Then is anyone really that afraid of the Chiefs...the Texans...etc?

This run has warped brains. You won't just magically find the next really good QB, and expect this thing to continue. Restarting it sooner than later guarantees nothing. If it were that easy, every team would do it...yet we see top 5 picks regularly fail.

To me, it would be absolutely foolish not to try w/Brady at least one more time.

bormio · Dec 30, 2019

Wingy said:
Agreed he's not as good, and declining...duh. Is he good enough with a stronger cast to still compete for SBs...at least for next year? I think that's a 'yes.'

Most any rational person will agree the end is coming very soon. On the other hand, I'm not seeing alternatives that viably outweigh even a low % shot at another Super Bowl.

Baltimore looks like a juggernaut now, but injuries hit every team. Then is anyone really that afraid of the Chiefs...the Texans...etc?

This run has warped brains. You won't just magically find the next really good QB, and expect this thing to continue. Restarting it sooner than later guarantees nothing. If it were that easy, every team would do it...yet we see top 5 picks regularly fail.

To me, it would be absolutely foolish not to try w/Brady at least one more time.

There is a fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. This is not high school or college. Small declines in performance can lead to huge declines in results.

iapatsfan · Dec 30, 2019

Does Brady's interest in "The TB12 Method" prevent him from honestly acknowledging injuries, especially one like Tennis elbow? One of the main pillars of his "Method" is the prevention of inflammation. What does a case of tennis elbow do for his brand?

jam757 · Dec 30, 2019

This Board is beyond comical sometimes. I for one hope they sign Brady for 2 years 50-55 million and think he's a far better player than any replacement. At this point it's all gravy anyway. They had no business winning the Super Bowl last year which was pretty much the cherry on top. Yes, it was an ugly loss. Yes, the decision to kill the clock in the first half was odd. There is an equal share of blame pie to go around. Belichick had a terrible game as did McDaniels. They should have run the ball more. The D picked a bad game the have their worst game. I think they more than likely bounce back and play a hard fought game against the Titans. The season's not over yet and I'll be watching and rooting for them.

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