Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

"Lock him up"

Tunescribe said:

Whatever happens it still comes back to Bob setting a world record for stupid decision making.

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You mean getting pulled over in your chauffeur driven Bentley, having to show identification after leaving a strip mall 'massage' parlor AND THEN GOING BACK the next day isn't the smartest thing to do?????
As I said to my kids when they were teenagers and did something not so smart, " what the %&*# were you thinking?"

FCB02062 said:

The media used to publish the names and mugshots (public record) of Johns...but the media have failed the public in the name of political correctness

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Howie Carr used to write a weekly article about the Johns at the Combat Zone. I don't remember when those stopped.

Bledsoehasaring said:

I said in an early thread that I am surrounded by lawyers family wise and all of them agree the case appears extremely weak. This is a desperate Hail Mary to shame kraft into accepting a plea. If he fights this he will win. This is a misdemeanor soliciting case that has illegal recording and entrapment issues. He will walk if he has a backbone.

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Illegal recording you say, then Kraft has the experience to fight this.

Bob can afford the best lawyers in the country. Theyve done a fantastic job so far keeping the video under wraps.

The Prosecutors can huff and puff all they want to try and scare Kraft into folding, but my money is on Krafts legal team.

Bledsoehasaring said:

I said in an early thread that I am surrounded by lawyers family wise and all of them agree the case appears extremely weak. This is a desperate Hail Mary to shame kraft into accepting a plea. If he fights this he will win. This is a misdemeanor soliciting case that has illegal recording and entrapment issues. He will walk if he has a backbone.

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So, he will get off because law enforcement was sloppy and incompetent. Awesome. What a wonderful guy.

Kraft is an old wannabe that pretends to be a great guy.

farn said:

So, he will get off because law enforcement was sloppy and incompetent. Awesome. What a wonderful guy.

Kraft is an old wannabe that pretends to be a great guy.

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No, he'll get off ( no pun intended) because of unconstitutional overreach by law enforcement. Their actions impact all of us and if unchecked have major ramifications, slippery slope etc.....

Patsfanin Philly said:

No, he'll get off ( no pun intended) because of unconstitutional overreach by law enforcement. Their actions impact all of us and if unchecked have major ramifications, slippery slope etc.....

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I agree re: the Law. You are correct and following procedures is important when you consider individual rights.

Kraft did the deed. On the day of an important game, he decided to go to this dumpster and get off. He pretends to be a moral compass. In fact, he is trash.

Triumph said:

Bob can afford the best lawyers in the country. Theyve done a fantastic job so far keeping the video under wraps.

The Prosecutors can huff and puff all they want to try and scare Kraft into folding, but my money is on Krafts legal team.

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And his billions. Just grease the right coffers and let your legal team give this situation a crank. He should be able to rub this one out.

Just saw this thread, is Kraft in some kind of trouble?

These prosecutors are no match for Goldberger. He will eat the like a piece of matzo bread

Bledsoehasaring said:

I said in an early thread that I am surrounded by lawyers family wise and all of them agree the case appears extremely weak. This is a desperate Hail Mary to shame kraft into accepting a plea. If he fights this he will win. This is a misdemeanor soliciting case that has illegal recording and entrapment issues. He will walk if he has a backbone.

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I can understand the logic behind getting the surveillance (i.e. video) thrown out of court, but I don’t see how this even remotely qualifies as entrapment.

As for the strength of the prosecution’s case, that pretty much rests on the Constitutionality of the surveillance. With the video, I’d say they have a strong case. Without it, they have a pretty weak one.

XLIX said:

I can understand the logic behind getting the surveillance (i.e. video) thrown out of court, but I don’t see how this even remotely qualifies as entrapment.

As for the strength of the prosecution’s case, that pretty much rests on the Constitutionality of the surveillance. With the video, I’d say they have a strong case. Without it, they have a pretty weak one.

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If you are setting up illegal surveillance equipment and the employees or management know about the surveillance then it could be argued that you were enticing johns to commit a crime. If they aren’t following the rules for surveillance they might also be “offering” acts for money instead of waiting for the John to ask for the illegal act in exchange for money.

Bledsoehasaring said:

If you are setting up illegal surveillance equipment and the employees or management know about the surveillance then it could be argued that you were enticing johns to commit a crime.

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Where are you hearing that the employees and/or management knew about the surveillance? All this ignores the fact that only actual law officers can commit entrapment.

Bledsoehasaring said:

If they aren’t following the rules for surveillance they might also be “offering” acts for money instead of waiting for the John to ask for the illegal act in exchange for money.

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There isn't a court in the country that would consider a mere offer to be entrapment. If a simple offer constituted entrapment, then the entire criminal justice system as it relates to undercover law enforcement and sting operations would have to be completely rewritten. There has to be some element of coercion or threat.