I'm Finally Convinced: This is Brady's Last Year in New England

Bradyking12 · Dec 24, 2019

upstater1 said:
We've always wildly overrated our backups. So many QBs have come through here. We also knew what we had with Jimmy G. It's another caliber of QB. A world of difference there.

You say like it was a universal opinion among pats fans that even after JG played the first 2 games in 16 everyone new he was it which wasn't the case cause even then he was still being undermined even last year, took up until this year for him to be fully established and accepted as the real deal.

upstater1 · Dec 24, 2019

Bradyking12 said:
You say like it was a universal opinion among pats fans that even after JG played the first 2 games in 16 everyone new he was it which wasn't the case cause even then he was still being undermined even last year, took up until this year for him to be fully established and accepted as the real deal.

Last year he was injured. The year before in a limited opportunity at the end of the season he was undefeated, and that's when he signed the big contract. Off of that. But Garoppolo had bigtime NFL coaches and scouts drooling over his abilities. It's very different than a run-of-the-mill 4th-5th-6th rounder.

We've heard great things in training camp about Mallet and Brisset and every other mid-rounder that's come here, but these players are not the kind of guys you want with the keys to the franchise.

Bradyking12 · Dec 24, 2019

upstater1 said:
Last year he was injured. The year before in a limited opportunity at the end of the season he was undefeated, and that's when he signed the big contract. Off of that. But Garoppolo had bigtime NFL coaches and scouts drooling over his abilities. It's very different than a run-of-the-mill 4th-5th-6th rounder.

We've heard great things in training camp about Mallet and Brisset and every other mid-rounder that's come here, but these players are not the kind of guys you want with the keys to the franchise.

Stidham is different from JB, he was a projected 1st rounder until he switched schools that hurt his stock, if he would stayed at the same school he more than likely goes in the 1st so we pretty much got a QB with 1st round talent in the 4th.

venecol · Dec 24, 2019

OP I'm trying to understand what you are claiming here:

1. You were not convinced when ppl said TB would leave NE after putting his house on the market;
2. You are now convinced he will leave because he resigned from the local charity. You claim this is what makes TB leaving real, not that he put his house on the market;
3. But then you say BB will not pay a 42 yo QB anyway unless TB plays for a ham sandwich. IOW, you now say he won't stay because of $$ issues.

So basically, the people that claimed he would leave were right all along, but it wasn't real until you decided the charity thing made it real. But none of that really matters because BB won't pay and TB won't play for a ham sandwich. Is that about right?

shmessy said:
(Alex Trebek voice) Ooooooh, so sorry, @TommyBrady12 . You may want to re-read the OP and that article s-l-o-w-l-y.

When the house went up for sale, others jumped to conclusions. I was NOT and said plainly that he has sold homes before - - no big deal. But, breaking personal ties with the LOCAL arm of a charity that he has personally been involved with for 15 years, is a far bigger tell.

shmessy said:
Sorry, but that is reality.
You, evidently are expecting either 1) Brady plays for a ham sandwich or 2) Belichick wipes tears from his eyes and gushes "I don't care about the a team roster, I love my Tommy." Reality?

TomPatriot · Dec 24, 2019

Bradyking12 said:
Stidham is different from JB, he was a projected 1st rounder until he switched schools that hurt his stock, if he would stayed at the same school he more than likely goes in the 1st so we pretty much got a QB with 1st round talent in the 4th.

Probably the best prep QB in 2015. Baylor/Auburn set him back. One example is that he came out of the preps with a very high grade for pocket awareness and left college with happy feet. Put him in a good environment (NE watching Brady is the best) and just maybe we’ve got something special here.

Antdawg · Dec 24, 2019

shmessy said:
Question, do you think Belichick is more worried about losing a 43 years Brady or a 26 year old Thuney and a 28 year old Van Noy, and others?

I recommend trying to think it like Belichick here, because I honestly think Kraft used up his last chit with him regarding Garropolo. One more step into it and BB could bolt.

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I think a lot of it has to do with how Brady finishes out the year. 26 for 33 against Buffalo is a good sign he still has it. If he struggles in the playoffs, then yes, I agree that BB is likely to cut him loose. If he performs at elite levels in the playoffs like he's done the past few years, you have to bring him back on a reasonable deal of $16 to 20 million and one year. As of now, frankly, Brady is the only QB in the league that has proven he can perform like that in the playoffs time and again. There's not a replacement for that and that is why I think we'll first have to see Brady falter in the playoffs before BB cuts him loose. That is unless Brady wants ridiculous money, which I don't see happening.

Tottie · Dec 24, 2019

16-20 a year is ridiculous tbh. If that's what happened last year in negotiations it would make sense. I really doubt TB12 wants to leave, but he's also said he wants to play. If BB won't go up to at least 25mil I can see why there might be an issue. 16mil is a freakin' insult. The market is the market and 16 is not adequate. I think Brees is a good comparison. 25 on a 1 year deal I would think would bring Brady back to NE for 2020.

venecol · Dec 24, 2019

Antdawg said:
I think a lot of it has to do with how Brady finishes out the year. 26 for 33 against Buffalo is a good sign he still has it. If he struggles in the playoffs, then yes, I agree that BB is likely to cut him loose. If he performs at elite levels in the playoffs like he's done the past few years, you have to bring him back on a reasonable deal of $16 to 20 million and one year. As of now, frankly, Brady is the only QB in the league that has proven he can perform like that in the playoffs time and again. There's not a replacement for that and that is why I think we'll first have to see Brady falter in the playoffs before BB cuts him loose. That is unless Brady wants ridiculous money, which I don't see happening.

1. You think the Patriots are ready to move on without Brady, and with Stidham and Kessler at QB?
2. Why would Brady accept Joe Flacco money when he just got a raise at $21.5M?
3. Is it possible, we can get another year with TB at $25M - $28M?

BUSTAMOVE · Dec 24, 2019

upstater1 said:
Agree here too. Several teams could give Brady $25 for one year. It's not a big stretch.

In fact, don't be hugely surprised if Brady goes somewhere for the same Patriots money ($15m) if he has absolutely certain guarantees that Antonio Brown and/or Odell Beckham are coming with him.

Not sure if that team is the Chargers, but I could see it being the Raiders too, Broncos, Titans, Bears & Bucs.

Looking at that list, do not be shocked if he ends up in Chicago.

I would be shocked if he is going anywhere.

First and foremost. We are going to pay him next year a very fair salary. If anyone thinks Stidham is ready is delirious. What are our options other than that.

Second.... Brady cares about his legacy. He wants nothing more than his kids to know their DAD was the undisputable GOAT. I doubt he is going to take a chance on going somewhere having to learn a new system and have to get in psych with a whole new offense. If that fails and he looks exposed and banged up. Then some people will always say BB made him and he was only a system QB. Yes it could go the other way. The question is does he want to gamble with the unknown. He already has the GOAT status, does he want to roll the dice, possibly ending his career like Brett Favre

TB might not like BB as a friend but what he does know about him is he has a system from top to bottom that works. He covers players weakness and plays to their strengths like no other. Question is does TB think there is a coach out there that can guarantee him that.

I think we are getting worked up for nothing. He is here for at least another year. Maybe two

Merry Christmas All

Bourne Again Christian · Dec 24, 2019

BUSTAMOVE said:
I would be shocked if he is going anywhere.

First and foremost. We are going to pay him next year a very fair salary. If anyone thinks Stidham is ready is delirious. What are our options other than that.

Second.... Brady cares about his legacy. He wants nothing more than his kids to know their DAD was the undisputable GOAT. I doubt he is going to take a chance on going somewhere having to learn a new system and have to get in psych with a whole new offense. If that fails and he looks exposed and banged up. Then some people will always say BB made him and he was only a system QB. Yes it could go the other way. The question is does he want to gamble with the unknown. He already has the GOAT status, does he want to roll the dice, possibly ending his career like Brett Favre

TB might not like BB as a friend but what he does know about him is he has a system from top to bottom that works. He covers players weakness and plays to their strengths like no other. Question is does TB think there is a coach out there that can guarantee him that.

I think we are getting worked up for nothing. He is here for at least another year. Maybe two

Merry Christmas All

Keep an eye on the Rams
It’s LA they are trying to fill seats
Goff has fallen flat And made Mcvay look silly.
Tom already has rapport with Cooks and would have a amazing offense and a very good defense to fall back on.

Dark horse pick is Dallas
If you are Jerry Jones do you pay Prescott when you could have Two years of atom Brady and what is the best chance to go to a super bowl.
Now if Dallas signs Tom it’s because they are also hiring McDaniels as head coach.

LA Chargers it’s LA they are moving on from Rivers you would say he won’t go from BB to Lynn but again in this scenario McDaniels follows Tom to LA Chargers and They also lure Edelman.

Miami as a Patriots fan this one hurts the most tons of cap familiarity with coaching staff friends with owner wants to rub in Patriots face they made a mistake as well as Giselle’s business interests in Miami.
Edelman could hit south beach as well as Gronk unretiring to catch passes from Tom.
What better way to excite people about football in south beach.
Plus Dolphins can still draft a QB who can learn behind Tom.

These are the 4 teams who are the biggest threat in signing Tom.
I’m actually excited to see what Stidham can do with some time in the system and Bill and hopefully Josh as well tutoring him.

FreeTedWilliams · Dec 24, 2019

Kraft trades BB to the Cowboys for 3 first rd picks.

McDaniels is elevated to HC, Brady stays, Gronk returns, AB returns.

McDaniels trades up in the draft and takes Tua.

Ring 6 · Dec 24, 2019

venecol said:
OP I'm trying to understand what you are claiming here:

1. You were not convinced when ppl said TB would leave NE after putting his house on the market;
2. You are now convinced he will leave because he resigned from the local charity. You claim this is what makes TB leaving real, not that he put his house on the market;
3. But then you say BB will not pay a 42 yo QB anyway unless TB plays for a ham sandwich. IOW, you now say he won't stay because of $$ issues.

So basically, the people that claimed he would leave were right all along, but it wasn't real until you decided the charity thing made it real. But none of that really matters because BB won't pay and TB won't play for a ham sandwich. Is that about right?

He will be back.

Ochmed Jones · Dec 24, 2019

Brady has 70 million reasons to stay for a few more years.

shmessy · Dec 25, 2019

Ring 6 said:
Wait you actually think they have a better chance to win the SB next year with Stidham than with Tom freaking Brady? Wow. Let’s just end the conversation there because I am going to pull a muscle laughing. Wow.

It’s call the salary cap, Andy. There’s a reason they didn’t give Brady more than a one year contract. Pull a full more muscles trying to figure out why.

They have key free agents that will bolt if they have no room. In relative terms , a 43 year old Tom Brady may very well not be a high priority to Bill Belichick if it means losing Thuney, Van Noy, etc. Reality check.

43 year old Tom Brady with a lesser supporting cast next year than he has this year would be a worse proposition than 2nd year pro Jarrett Stidham with a better cast. It’s a 53 man roster.

SBLIII · Dec 25, 2019

Ochmed Jones said:
Brady has 70 million reasons to stay for a few more years.

who says Belichick will keep him? Especially at that price tag?

SBLIII · Dec 25, 2019

shmessy said:
Their best chance is with Brady THIS year, with Brady gutting it out at 42 and Stidhanm still a rookie.

The Rubiks Cube changes next year with Brady at 43 and Stidham with a full year under his belt and having to fit Van Noy, Thuney into the cap along with decisions on the McCourty twins and others.

It's a jigsaw puzzle - - it's not simple.

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The Patriots are not going to win anything win a 43 year old Brady on a 30-35 million per year contract with an average supporting cast and a declining defense.

Belichick knows this.

Ring 6 · Dec 25, 2019

shmessy said:
It’s call the salary cap, Andy. There’s a reason they didn’t give Brady more than a one year contract. Pull a full more muscles trying to figure out why.

They have key free agents that will bolt if they have no room. In relative terms , a 43 year old Tom Brady may very well not be a high priority to Bill Belichick if it means losing Thuney, Van Noy, etc. Reality check.

43 year old Tom Brady with a lesser supporting cast next year than he has this year would be a worse proposition than 2nd year pro Jarrett Stidham with a better cast. It’s a 53 man roster.

Lol. Couldn’t disagree more with everything you said.

shmessy · Dec 25, 2019

Ring 6 said:
Lol. Couldn’t disagree more with everything you said.

That completely ruined my Christmas morning.

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TommyD4207 · Dec 27, 2019

venecol said:
1. You think the Patriots are ready to move on without Brady, and with Stidham and Kessler at QB?
2. Why would Brady accept Joe Flacco money when he just got a raise at $21.5M?
3. Is it possible, we can get another year with TB at $25M - $28M?

Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He's not worth $25-28 million. Not anymore.

This year, in full seasons since 2004 (The emphasis)-

Yards - Worst
TDs - Worst (Has a shot at 2006's 24, and 2013's 25 this week)
Completion % - 2nd worst (currently 61.1, should be safe from 2013's 60.5)
TD %- Worst
First Downs Passing - Worst
Yards per Attempt - Worst
Yards per Catch - Worst
Yards per Game - 2nd Worst
Rating - Worst

In relation to the rest of the league this season, 2019:

Yards - 9th
TDs - 14th
Completion % (Min 100 attempts) - 33rd (overall 60th)
TD % - 26th
First Downs Passing - 8th
Yards per Attempt (Min 100 attempts) - 32nd
Yards per Catch (Min 100 attempts) - 32nd
Yards per Game - 14th
Rating (Min 100 attempts) - 24th

Not a single one in the top 5, not even inside the top 8, and several of those are bottom third of the league. By the way, 23rd in sacks, the only playoff QB with fewer (who didn't miss games) is Lamar Jackson (27th).

Brady's making $23 million this year. He's done nothing to deserve a raise, considering he's gotten demonstrably worse. You could get a Teddy Bridgewater for comparable money, who's had a better year by pretty much any measure, and he's still got upside.

Brady was the best player in the history of the franchise - but he's not that guy now, and while I expect half of you folks to leave when he does, I'll still be rooting for the laundry, just like I did before.

SHOWTIME15 · Dec 27, 2019

TommyD4207 said:
Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He's not worth $25-28 million. Not anymore.

This year, in full seasons since 2004 (The emphasis)-

Yards - Worst
TDs - Worst (Has a shot at 2006's 24, and 2013's 25 this week)
Completion % - 2nd worst (currently 61.1, should be safe from 2013's 60.5)
TD %- Worst
First Downs Passing - Worst
Yards per Attempt - Worst
Yards per Catch - Worst
Yards per Game - 2nd Worst
Rating - Worst

In relation to the rest of the league this season, 2019:

Yards - 9th
TDs - 14th
Completion % (Min 100 attempts) - 33rd (overall 60th)
TD % - 26th
First Downs Passing - 8th
Yards per Attempt (Min 100 attempts) - 32nd
Yards per Catch (Min 100 attempts) - 32nd
Yards per Game - 14th
Rating (Min 100 attempts) - 24th

Not a single one in the top 5, not even inside the top 8, and several of those are bottom third of the league. By the way, 23rd in sacks, the only playoff QB with fewer (who didn't miss games) is Lamar Jackson (27th).

Brady's making $23 million this year. He's done nothing to deserve a raise, considering he's gotten demonstrably worse. You could get a Teddy Bridgewater for comparable money, who's had a better year by pretty much any measure, and he's still got upside.

Brady was the best player in the history of the franchise - but he's not that guy now, and while I expect half of you folks to leave when he does, I'll still be rooting for the laundry, just like I did before.

If he elevates his play in the playoffs, which is what he does, and wins another SB, he's absolutely worth that money

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