Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

dreighver said:

Curious if the league would attempt to obtain texts/emails from other teams if such a situation was to occur. Seems unlikely they would.

I get the NFL is a private entity and all that, but attempting to obtain emails/texts seems extremely invasive and unnecessary unless the tapes contain information one could not obtain from other sources (A22, for example).

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I agree. Going through someone's e-mails and texts is a huge invasion of someone's property even if it's using company e-mail and cell phones. Companies generally only do it for a very serious reason. This is ridiculous. Clearly, there was no intention to cheat. They didn't use the docuseries as a cover for a one time attempt to cheat on the lowly Bengals while setting up the camera directly in front of Bengals employees in the press box. Especially when you could get the film from a cell phone in the stands and there's not much to even see. I wonder if they are going to ask for the texts from the kid who was an outside contractor. That would be absurd, but I wouldn't be surprised.

We shouldn't be shocked by this and we should expect some leaked content that has nothing to do with this situation.

It's win-win for the NFL. Ask for basically full access to Patriots information: if we refuse levy full penalties, if we comply leak party

Florio link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/22/nfl-investigators-probe-for-connection-to-patriots-football-operations-in-spygate-2

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

Of course they do. Whoever’s genius idea it was to point a camera at the sidelines... great job

sb1 said:

Florio link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/22/nfl-investigators-probe-for-connection-to-patriots-football-operations-in-spygate-2

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

Of course they do. Whoever’s genius idea it was to point a camera at the sidelines... great job

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The NYJFL has basically turned us all into correct tin foil hat wearers.

sb1 said:

Florio link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/22/nfl-investigators-probe-for-connection-to-patriots-football-operations-in-spygate-2

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

Of course they do. Whoever’s genius idea it was to point a camera at the sidelines... great job

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JFC. One would think that the NFL wouldn’t want to go out of its way to attempt to brand its product as tainted. That they would do everything they could to not say that the dominant team for literally an entire generation, whose coach they’ve finally and begrudgingly decided to embrace as an ambassador for the game, did so by cheating. It’s as bad as a PR take as one could have, saying an entire generation grew up seeing its product damaged by fraud. In a sane world, the league would only begrudgingly come to such a conclusion, and share its conclusions and punishments with heavy hearts.

Instead you have this clown show of a league getting pissed off that they haven’t been able to prove the Patriots story wrong. They should be looking at where the evidence leads them, but instead they know the conclusion they want and are digging for it.

I thought this time the NFL had come to its senses and would do the right thing; no Roger Goodell screw up to need distraction from and no Spygate “light punishment” that needed correcting. Boy was I ever naive.

I now fully expect a Wells-like tenuous link to be found to justify a ridiculous penalty. Once Belichick is done with the league, so am I. The NFL doesn’t deserve my fandom; life is far too short, they have clearly shown there are better things on which to spend to these precious breaths.

sb1 said:

Florio link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/22/nfl-investigators-probe-for-connection-to-patriots-football-operations-in-spygate-2

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

Of course they do. Whoever’s genius idea it was to point a camera at the sidelines... great job

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wow

Oh boy we’re gonna get some embarrassing ass texts out of this mess.

Florio says on SNF the investigation started in Foxboro and looking at devices and cell phones and no link found to the football ops so far.

Since 2014 I have dramatically reduced my NFL spending, mostly down to when they win Super Bowls. Assuming no actual wrongdoing is found that will drop to zero if we lose a #5 or higher. #5 because that is what pumping in crowd noise cost the Falcons - and that was clearly an attempt to gain an advantage on the field.

We’re gonna get texts of Kraft’s sports production employees privately making fun of the day spa scandal arent we.

There’s gonna be one text where someone calls himself “The Recorder” and it’ll lead to a national emergency despite no context being presented.

VectorPrime said:

We’re gonna get texts of Kraft’s sports production employees privately making fun of the day spa scandal arent we.

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It'll show Kirsch's phone with 57 orders for Uber Eats from the last month

TB_Helmet said:

There’s gonna be one text where someone calls himself “The Recorder” and it’ll lead to a national emergency despite no context being presented.

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Lol it’ll involve his grade school kids recorder residle.

Serious question... Has the league gone rifling through employee communications for any other team?

NashuaPats said:

I agree. Going through someone's e-mails and texts is a huge invasion of someone's property even if it's using company e-mail and cell phones.

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You have no right to privacy when using company equipment.

TB_Helmet said:

There’s gonna be one text where someone calls himself “The Recorder” and it’ll lead to a national emergency despite no context being presented.

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We'll also need a Frito Fink or Cheeto Chump.

Unbelievable......the NFL is a goddamn circus act...

They don’t want the truth! Pretty effed up.

sb1 said:

Florio link:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/22/nfl-investigators-probe-for-connection-to-patriots-football-operations-in-spygate-2

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

Of course they do. Whoever’s genius idea it was to point a camera at the sidelines... great job

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"They are showing frustration"?

Too bad.