Patriots offense sees 'light at the end of the tunnel'

Chris Stevenson · Dec 13, 2019

Ring 6 said:
How can you blame Brady? He doesn’t make the game plan it calls the plays and he has no time to throw and/or no one open. If you give Brady time and open receivers he will torch any defense.

He absolutely is on the gameplanning as the GOAT. There's no doubt in my mind.

It's pretty rare that BB intervenes between them during a game. But, we've seen Brady in the BB Football Life documentary, where Brady is making suggestions to BB about plays or approaches to face Ed Reed and the Ravens, for example. And, that was 10 years ago.

Also, this isn't blame, it's holding him accountable knowing he and McD have been working together for years, are friendly off the field as well, and are at least partially responsible. IMO, BB lets McD and Brady sort of do their thing.

It simply hasn't been good enough this year offensively and I am seeing the exact same crap approaches every week now.

NG Pats Fan · Dec 13, 2019

luuked said:
I think the corollary to that is "the difference between good and bad is often less than half a second". Whether that is a lineman holding up just not long enough, Brady being slightly inaccurate or a WR taking one step too long to be uncovered.

I am still pretty optimistic given how the A22 footage looks. Overall skill players are getting open,

HA thanks for the laugh. Besides Edelman, none of them are even close to getting open

Ice_Ice_Brady · Dec 14, 2019

It’s so obvious that Brady is injured; not sure why Occam’s razor doesn’t work here. Are there some big problems with protection and the skill players? Yes. Does that explain why an offense that historically finishes in the top 10, even under the worst circumstances (injuries/lack of talent) is now arguably the very worst offense in the league since around week 4?

The guy is probably the most skilled athlete I’ve ever seen at concealing pain and injuries. He’s played through so many in the past that you only found out about after the season. He frequently lies to the media and says he isn’t injured seriously when he is (like when he said his knee was fine last year after that stupid receiving play.). He doesn’t even grimace; he gets concussed and avoids showing any signs of it. So when he shows up at a presser with his elbow wrapped with like 20 layers of athletic tape, there’s probably a reason for that. Yes, a bad injury to the right elbow of a quarterback is going to effect his play.

All of these things are correct. Receivers aren’t getting a lot of separation, are running the wrong routes, dropping passes, the offensive line is struggling, the running game is struggling, etc., but football is also a sport where there are domino effects. Example, when teams aren’t afraid the QB will slice them up, they’ll focus more on the run. When teams can see a QB/WR corps aren’t communicating well they are going to blitz more. At the heart of this, I think Brady’s injury is most responsible for the offensive problems, and hopefully it heals up and we see very different results. Suddenly this “lack of separation” will be enough separation after all, the pass rush won’t be so effective (since he’s being beaten by his inaccuracy and hesitance to throw into tight windows), and the newer guys like Sanu, Meyes, and Harry may get some momentum going. It can change fast. Brady seemed to indicate in his comments this week that things are about to change. I take that to mean he’s finally healthy enough to be Brady again and carry an offense, like he’s done throughout his career.

supafly · Dec 14, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
It’s so obvious that Brady is injured; not sure why Occam’s razor doesn’t work here. Are there some big problems with protection and the skill players? Yes. Does that explain why an offense that historically finishes in the top 10, even under the worst circumstances (injuries/lack of talent) is now arguably the very worst offense in the league since around week 4?

The guy is probably the most skilled athlete I’ve ever seen at concealing pain and injuries. He’s played through so many in the past that you only found out about after the season. He frequently lies to the media and says he isn’t injured seriously when he is (like when he said his knee was fine last year after that stupid receiving play.). He doesn’t even grimace; he gets concussed and avoids showing any signs of it. So when he shows up at a presser with his elbows wrapped with like 20 layers of athletic tape, there’s probably a reason for that. Yes, a bad injury to the right elbow of a quarterback is going to effect his play.

All of these things are correct. Receivers aren’t getting a lot of separation, are running the wrong routes, dropping passes, the offensive line is struggling, the running game is struggling, etc., but football is also a sport where there are domino effects. Example, when teams aren’t afraid the QB will slice them up, they’ll focus more on the run. When teams can see a QB/WR corps aren’t communicating well they are going to blitz more. At the heart of this, I think Brady’s injury is most responsible for the offensive problems, and hopefully it heals up and we see very different results. Suddenly this “lack of separation” will be enough separation after all, the pass rush won’t be so effective (since he’s being beaten by his inaccuracy and hesitance to throw into tight windows), and the newer guys like Sanu, Meyes, and Harry may get some momentum going. It can change fast. Brady seemed to indicate in his comments this week that things are about to change. I take that to mean he’s finally healthy enough to be Brady again and carry an offense, like he’s done throughout his career.

How crazy would it be if you were spot on with this and the offense suddenly looked good enough to put up something in the mid-20s? Let’s hope that you’re right. That would be amazing.

Mike the Brit · Dec 14, 2019

Last season, sweeps and screens apart, the Pats had two players to go to on "money" downs: Edelman and Gronk. That was really clear from re-watching (remember the AFCCG and the Super Bowl). Now they've only got one and it shows. But I'm not downhearted. The team is fighting hard and BB is proud of them. So am I.

Thanks for the optimism @SammyBlueCat ! And "boo" to the boo-boys!

luuked · Dec 14, 2019

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
It’s so obvious that Brady is injured; not sure why Occam’s razor doesn’t work here.

Because this is not how Occam's razor works. Brady hiding an injury nobody can even pinpoint when watching tape is not the most obvious and logical explanation.

It requires some assumptions which is not what you are looking for.

Joker · Dec 14, 2019

yeah..this is more like Joe Kerr's switchblade...

SammyBlueCat · Dec 14, 2019

PatsDynastyX2 said:
You must be reading wrong.

I am talking about the options of what a team could do. A base package, with 2 LBs and 3 CBs, etc, where they're covering White with the nickelback, that leaves one LB (in base) on one of our RBs in a 2 back set. Like, last year when SD used a light package with more DBs, but I knew it wouldn't have an effect because they play almost all zone. I knew they would get demolished.

The bottom line is, McDaniels is not using packages play into what SHOULD Be a strength (the RBs use both with running and passing to each RB), where the offense can dictate.

It's an offensive league, where the rules all but beg offenses to move the ball.

A direct quote was provided. Nothing was misread.

SammyBlueCat · Dec 14, 2019

PatsDynastyX2 said:
Exactly. Thank you. Finally, someone who gets my point.

Sorry. I suggest most people are in fact getting your points and they are not as well written or thoughtful as you believe they are.

Chris Stevenson · Dec 14, 2019

SammyBlueCat said:
A direct quote was provided. Nothing was misread.

It is not a direct quote.

The old Bears 2000s D or Seattle’s D has 2 mlbs play zone while their cbs play man.

This is the best way and idea to slow Brady.

The 2 mlbs flood the middle which is Brady’s preferred passing area, as it would be for most, if not all qbs.

With Gronk gone, Ds are now using the nickel (think Tredavious White mauling Gronk in 2017 forcing him to snap) on James White.

If you isolate Burkhead, Michel out of the backfield on the other MLB, it’s a win all day.

And this doesn’t count how 2 rbs used means a D can’t guess as easy, if it’s a run or pass, which means cheating on the run or maybe stunting or blitzing from the middle, opens up the middle and draws the linebackers in...Get it?

Dropping back 40 times a game is too predictable. Brady had fallen into this drug addled trap, subconsciously with McDaniels, for years.

Those are my direct quotes. Take your misunderstanding of it elsewhere.

203Pat · Dec 14, 2019

PatsDynastyX2 said:
The talent is almost the same as last year and they're better and deeper at WR.

Is this some elaborate troll job or are you insane? Last years receiver group was better than this group. We have a rookie who cant get on the field. We have another rookie who has been inconsistent. We have the invisible man in Dorsett who has not stepped up when needed. Sanu, who either hasn't put it altogether yet or just isn't that good. The tight ends are almost non-existent. Then we have the only productive receiver in Edelman who has been getting the crap kicked out of him and doubled on every play.

Last year Hogan wasn't great but at least he knew the offense. Dorsett was better in his role and Patterson added the threat of speed that had to be accounted for when he was on the field. Edelman was able to get single coverage last year thanks in part to Gronk who even with his diminished skill was still a key piece defenses keyed on. This year we don't have anyone for defensive coordinators to worry about outside of Edelman.

Chris Stevenson · Dec 14, 2019

SammyBlueCat said:
Sorry. I suggest most people are in fact getting your points and they are not as well written or thoughtful as you believe they are.

I am sorry it's so true. Jealousy and insecurity, while pointing out Brady does not get to skate, is a bad ad combo for the Apologist crowd in their Brady jerseys.

We’ve seen it for years. Brady is not above reproach and BB has to battle to make sure that stays true.

Newhouse is not playing anymore so you can’t just keep pulling the covers over your head ignoring the real problems (not using the rbs and 2 back sets enough, staring down Edelman in obvious double coverage, bad and late decisions, reckless throws and unwilling to move his feet in the pocket).

You know, the usual bad habits he has when this stuff bubbles up in a season.

Because it is not new.

TheAdultintheRoom · Dec 14, 2019

This is just stupid. Who bashes the GOAT with six rings in his age 42 and possibly final season? You are either a troll or... well, that's all I can think of.

203Pat · Dec 14, 2019

TheAdultintheRoom said:
This is just stupid. Who bashes the GOAT with six rings in his age 42 and possibly final season? You are either a troll or... well, that's all I can think of.

He's an idiot.

Chris Stevenson · Dec 14, 2019

TheAdultintheRoom said:
This is just stupid. Who bashes the GOAT with six rings in his age 42 and possibly final season? You are either a troll or... well, that's all I can think of.

Ahh! So the truth is here...Another Apologist thinking Brady should get special treatment possibly derailing the season.

Why do you think BB drafted JImmyG, worked every single day with him, and then Brady all of a sudden improved dramatically running the offense, in particular in the postseason? It wasn't a coincidence BB did that and Brady started fearing for his job. JimmyG might be the most important draft pick of the last 5 years for BB for this very reason. It woke Brady up. Yep.

This is about the TEAM and Brady is on the team. He's not to be given special privileges or dictate who gets to play and who doesn't.

BB is getting in between McDaniels and Brady as we speak and thank god he is. Hopefully it's not too late.

TheAdultintheRoom · Dec 14, 2019

What are you even talking about?

Chris Stevenson · Dec 14, 2019

203Pat said:
He's an idiot.

That means you think the way BB sees handling Brady is also idiotic, so you just called BB an idiot which is very funny to me.

I also noticed you said Hogan was good last year, when a lot of Pats boards were littered with deflection attempts from bad Brady play last year, saying "he can't get separation" hinting at his age.

Now, BB brings in Harry, Meyers as rookies, Stidham loved Meyers in preseason, at least enough to look at him and throw to him and Brady can't run the offense to find ways to look at these guys on a 1st read knowing Edelman's doubled? He can't even look at WRs not named Edelman? Really? And, I don't mean for 3-4 snaps a game either. Not giving these guys a chance is the problem.

Laughable.

Keep moving the goalposts to deflect from holding Brady himself accountable as a big part of the offense.

203Pat · Dec 14, 2019

PatsDynastyX2 said:
Ahh! So the truth is here...Another Apologist thinking Brady should get special treatment possibly derailing the season.

Why do you think BB drafted JImmyG, worked every single day with him, and then Brady all of a sudden improved dramatically running the offense, in particular in the postseason? It wasn't a coincidence BB did that and Brady started fearing for his job. JimmyG might be the most important draft pick of the last 5 years for BB for this very reason. It woke Brady up. Yep.

This is about the TEAM and Brady is on the team. He's not to be given special privileges or dictate who gets to play and who doesn't.

BB is getting in between McDaniels and Brady as we speak and thank god he is. Hopefully it's not too late.

Chris Stevenson · Dec 14, 2019

TheAdultintheRoom said:
What are you even talking about?

Wow.

You see Brady as playing in A+ ways regardless of how it really is, don't you?

203Pat · Dec 14, 2019

PatsDynastyX2 said:
That means you think the way BB sees handling Brady is also idiotic, so you just called BB an idiot which is very funny to me.

I also noticed you said Hogan was good last year, when a lot of Pats board were littered with deflection attempts from bad Brady play last year, saying "he can't get separation" hinting at his age.

Now, BB brings in Harry, Meyers as rookies, Stidham loved Meyers in preseason, at least enough to look at him and throw to him and Brady can't run the offense to find ways to look at these guys on a 1st read knowing Edelman's doubled?

Laughable.

Keep moving the goalposts to deflect from holding Brady himself accountable as a big part of the offense.

1. Me thinking you're an idiot has nothing to do with Bill Belichick.
2. Show me where I said Hogan was "good".
3. Brady isn't the one giving Harry two snaps in a game and Stidham and Meyers looked good in the preseason playing against future UPS drivers and Sonny's Carwash all-stars.
4. You are making a ton of assumptions and stating them as fact.

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