OT: Lamar Jackson

betterthanthealternative said:

Oh, absolutely. Plus, the posters who (like you) actually do research on this stuff are exempt.

This is going to get complicated but I'm up to the task of micromanaging it with complete subjectivity and unpredictable emotional responses.

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Np w that at all.

PatriotsReign said:

This is a discussion and not a debate board. I just brought up a glaring difference between the QB’s you listed and Jackson.

Do you actually believe he can continue to run as often as he has so far?

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I believe people vastly overstate the degree to which contact results in injuries to NFL players. (Hence concerns about using important players on kick or punt returns are usually overstated.)

I don't think it matters how much he runs, and I think if the Ravens win one or more Super Bowls with him and he only has a ten year career, that's a draft pick well spent.

primetime said:

I believe people vastly overstate the degree to which contact results in injuries to NFL players. (Hence concerns about using important players on kick or punt returns are usually overstated.)

I don't think it matters how much he runs, and I think if the Ravens win one or more Super Bowls with him and he only has a ten year career, that's a draft pick well spent.

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Real men stay in the pocket & take beatings.

dreighver said:

Sure sounds like you are rooting for him to get injured. Where do we draw the line between being "all for" something and "rooting" for a particular outcome?

No distinction between the two notions IMO.

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OK, let's all chill out with the "I can't believe you're actually hoping for a player to get injured".

I am "All for it" as in "I won't mourn it", and as in "it will help the Pats". I'm a Pats fan, not a Ravens fan. I couldn't give 2 5hits what happens to that team. If their run-first QB gets injured, I won't shed a tear over it. You can draw whatever conclusion you wish. He's a good kid and I don't wish any ill upon him personally, but if it WERE to happen (as if our wishes have anything to do with it), and the Ravens end up getting knocked out of the race, fck yeah, and fck them.

Sue me.

primetime said:

I believe people vastly overstate the degree to which contact results in injuries to NFL players. (Hence concerns about using important players on kick or punt returns are usually overstated.)

I don't think it matters how much he runs, and I think if the Ravens win one or more Super Bowls with him and he only has a ten year career, that's a draft pick well spent.

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Who said running results in injuries from being hit? Running increases the risk for all sorts of injuries. How did Garropolo, RGIII, Vick & Wenz get hurt?

primetime said:

I believe people vastly overstate the degree to which contact results in injuries to NFL players. (Hence concerns about using important players on kick or punt returns are usually overstated.)

I don't think it matters how much he runs, and I think if the Ravens win one or more Super Bowls with him and he only has a ten year career, that's a draft pick well spent.

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Oh I couldn’t agree more with this statement. I have doubts about how long he can maintain this level of play and do believe that it will take a big toll on his body, but he’s already exceeded production for the #32 pick in the draft. Great draft pick. I think a most people who are skeptical about his long-term abilities will readily admit this was a good pick, and I’d gladly take someone at #32 who can give me just one season at an MVP level.

I think it's more simple than like, making a claim that specific types of QB's have shorter careers. Really, it's just QB's who get hit a lot probably shorten their career - unless they're really, really good at passing. Roethlisberger is main person who comes to mind when I type that sentence. It's pretty absurd how long that guy has played, at the level he has, taking as many hits as he has. Going into this year, he was on pace to be the most hit QB in history. In fact, the most hit QB's of all time are Farve, Elway and Roethlisberger. I mean, Ben is a rollin' out """"backyard football"""" kind of guy, but he's not a running QB lol.

Running could open you up to a few more hits, unless you're really good at avoiding hits - like Jackson is. I'm gonna guess his loss of athleticism will be gradual, and he'll notice. It will be gradual enough that he'll understand that he needs to improve his pocket game, if he hasn't by that point. I bet he will. If he doesn't, then maybe he'll be out of the league earlier? than most? I dunno.

Scrambling quarterbacks (Like Rodgers and Mahomes, people who like to let plays develop), and extremely athletic true dual-threat QB's are not only nothing new, but the league has understood how to maintain these players better. I think because of RG3, you'll never see a coach mismanage the health of their QB the way Shanahan did. Even the effing team doctor said he shouldn't have played - who generally have a reputation for underplaying injuries.

Vick didn't give af. Jackson seems to, by most accounts and measures, to be a dedicated individual. I hate him because he's a Raven. But beyond that, he's awesome.

He looked injured all right tonight

He’s not a good passer


He fell into our lap in the 2018 draft.

Another 5 passing TDs 0 int game for Lamar last night

NG Pats Fan said:

He looked injured all right tonight

He’s not a good passer


He fell into our lap in the 2018 draft.

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This was Belichick's biggest brain fart as GM.

NG Pats Fan said:

He looked injured all right tonight

He’s not a good passer


He fell into our lap in the 2018 draft.

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I've been a huge fan since college but as I Pats fan I'm seriously hoping for some regression next year. Which there should be. He's been nothing short of outstanding considering his age, games played etc.
Really don't want to be reminded of taking Sony (RB) > Lamar (QB) for the next 8-10 years.

dannydyn said:

This was Belichick's biggest brain fart as GM.

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OK so if they draft LJ they don't draft Sony and they don't win the Super Bowl.

If you want to bash BB, fine but deal with the most likely scenario from it.

robertweathers said:

OK so if they draft LJ they don't draft Sony and they don't win the Super Bowl.

If you want to bash BB, fine but deal with the most likely scenario from it.

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Who's to say they wouldn't have drafted another RB later on who could have done what Michel did? Michel was solid but it was our OL who opened up holes that made our running game work.

Lamar would have ensured our dynasty another 10-15 years. Can you imagine the mismatches he could have created with McD and BB cooking up schemes?

condon84 said:

Who's to say they wouldn't have drafted another RB later on who could have done what Michel did? Michel was solid but it was our OL who opened up holes that made our running game work.

Lamar would have ensured our dynasty another 10-15 years. Can you imagine the mismatches he could have created with McD and BB cooking up schemes?

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No one wins hypothetical arguments. Just pointing out what we know has happened since the 2018 Draft.

LJ has developed into a dynamic, MVP-caliber player.

The NEP won the Super Bowl last year with Brady and Sony.

We have no idea how LJs career with evolve. He could blow out a knee, be forced to become a pocket Qb and suck.

Have to admit that I am extremely surprised how successful LJ has been. He's the best running QB I have ever seen and his unorthodox throwing motion has not stopped him from getting the ball to his receivers accurately and on time. At the moment no one seems to have an answer for him and the Ravens are the clear favorites to win it all at the moment. Can he maintain his MVP/HOF level of play? Cam Newton did for a year or 2, Kap has a run, Vick dominated a couple years.... yet none were at this level. I will be rooting against him as a competitor to the Pats but concede it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

I've been a huge fan since college but as I Pats fan I'm seriously hoping for some regression next year. Which there should be. He's been nothing short of outstanding considering his age, games played etc.
Really don't want to be reminded of taking Sony (RB) > Lamar (QB) for the next 8-10 years.

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I’ll live with that one once we take one of either Lawrence or fields in 2021.

robertweathers said:

OK so if they draft LJ they don't draft Sony and they don't win the Super Bowl.

If you want to bash BB, fine but deal with the most likely scenario from it.

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We had a dominant OL. Arguably the best during this run. We could have replaced Sony a bunch of other RBs & got the same results.

It's such an easy position to plug & play. Not diminishing what Sony did but we won w A Smith, Blount & others.

We won & ran 18 different types of runs bc of our OL. Not Sony.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Real men stay in the pocket & take beatings.

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HE COULD'VE RUN INTO SOMEONE ON THE SIDELINE AND GOT HURT!!

After last night's game Jackson is 20th in the league in rushing attempts and 23rd in passing attempts.