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can someone explain something to me? i must be missing something obvious.

the people involved in this are independent contractors and have nothing to do with football ops.

what about the scout? he is football ops, no? and he wouldn't have been aware of the rule and said we shouldn't do that? I'm a little confused
He was probably busy doing his job and wasnt paying attention. We don't know all the details so hard to answer.
 
can someone explain something to me? i must be missing something obvious.

the people involved in this are independent contractors and have nothing to do with football ops.

what about the scout? he is football ops, no? and he wouldn't have been aware of the rule and said we shouldn't do that? I'm a little confused
Try reading the thread. Your "confusion" has been addressed multiple times, including post #1575.
 
Try reading the thread. Your "confusion" has been addressed multiple times, including post #1575.
parsing through an entire 80 page thread with plenty of bickering and sidetracks might be a bit of an unreasonable standard. i don't really have time to sit down and read 80 pages

checked post 1575. although at the risk of sounding like wells accusing someone of probably being generally aware, i would assume that if he were right there and the cameraman is filming the sideline, he would probably see that. maybe he's just not worried about it, though. not like we know where he was sitting relative to the camera, etc
 
I honestly hold no ill will towards Cincinnati. They didn't do anything wrong.
Cincinnati is entirely responsible for letting the lie (“spying”) get half way around the world before anybody had any idea of the context behind things. The correct course of action would have been to report it to the NFL and then keep their mouths shut.
 
parsing through an entire 80 page thread with plenty of bickering and sidetracks might be a bit of an unreasonable standard. i don't really have time to sit down and read 80 pages
But apparently you don't mind wasting other people's time begging answers to questions that already have been addressed. Kind of selfish and rude, don't you think?
 
Cincinnati is entirely responsible for letting the lie (“spying”) get half way around the world before anybody had any idea of the context behind things. The correct course of action would have been to report it to the NFL and then keep their mouths shut.
We don't know its a lie until news on the tape breaks. However im starting to lean towards there was no spying.

With that said I entirely blame the cameraman because it looked shady/stupid and he made it worse by panicing by saying: "I'll delete itand we can forget about it"
 
Cincinnati is entirely responsible for letting the lie (“spying”) get half way around the world before anybody had any idea of the context behind things. The correct course of action would have been to report it to the NFL and then keep their mouths shut.

This. Sure sounds like Cincy planted a team reporter at Monday's press conference to specifically ask about the matter, supposedly with the intention of lighting a spark under this story.
 
But apparently you don't mind wasting other people's time begging answers to questions that already have been addressed. Kind of selfish and rude, don't you think?
I don’t know that they’ve already been addressed. As I said, I haven’t combed through the thread. Anyone who posts without reading through the entirety of every thread they post in is selfish and rude?
 
I don’t know that they’ve already been addressed. As I said, I haven’t combed through the thread.
That's what threads are for -- to comb through and become informed.

Anyone who posts without reading through the entirety of every thread they post in is selfish and rude?
If they're wasting everyone's time by posting questions that already have been answered multiple times over, absolutely. If you can't be bothered to first read a thread to avoid posting in it redundantly, message board activity probably isn't your thing.
 
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Yes, they are that dumb.

MLB should be thinking of ways to close the ability to steal signs rather than do what all sports leagues do, which is make an example out of one team (when many other teams also do it, or would if they could.) Rulebooks are generally pretty dumb...they were written before advanced technology, and now many of the “please promise you won’t do this...” rules in a multi-billion dollar business are pretty absurd. I’m sure there are plenty of high tech ways for pitchers and catchers to communicate without hand signals that are visible to anyone in centerfield and on every tv camera as well.

The Astros scandal reminds me of Deflategate a bit. We were up 17-7 at halftime, then couldn't "cheat" anymore, and outscored Indy 28-0.

The Astros won more games on the road than at home in 2017 and scored 106 more runs. So even if they were breaking the rules at home, it didn't seem to matter.

And I'm with you, other teams are doing something similar. In a league where players change teams so frequently, you can't get me to believe the Astros would be doing something that would require so many players to be in on it and not expect it to come out if this was truly unheard of in pro baseball.
 
That's what threads are for -- to comb through and become informed.

If they're wasting everyone's time by posting questions that already have been answered multiple times over, absolutely. If you can't be bothered to read a thread to avoid posting in it redundantly, message board activity probably isn't your thing.

What if he isn’t retired and doesn’t spend his waking moments combing a message board? May he ask a question then?

Thank you for helping to clarify the comprehensive framework of inquiry etiquette.
 
What if he isn’t retired and doesn’t spend his waking moments combing a message board? May he ask a question then?

Thank you for helping to clarify the comprehensive framework of inquiry etiquette.
If what I suggested is news to you, you are welcome. Look, it doesn't require being retired or every "waking moment" to scan a thread -- even one like this with 80 pages -- to get informed and avoid clogging it up with redundancies. Like I said, if you're too impatient to read before posting then it's not for you.
 
If what I suggested is news to you, you are welcome. Look, it doesn't require being retired or every "waking moment" to scan a thread -- even one like this with 80 pages -- to get informed and avoid clogging it up with redundancies. Like I said, if you're too impatient to read before posting then it's not for you.
Your proposed burden of “scanning” 80 pages before asking a fairly reasonable question is absurd.

Hopefully you don’t enforce or mandate anything that actually matters.
 
Your proposed burden of “scanning” 80 pages before asking a fairly reasonable question is absurd.

Hopefully you don’t enforce or mandate anything that actually matters.
No, your proposed notion that it's A-OK to post questions in a thread without deigning to read it first is BEYOND absurd -- a question that in this case was answered more than once in just the preceding few pages. Hopefully you'll use your noggin' next time before barking up the wrong tree. ;)
 
That's what threads are for -- to comb through and become informed.

If they're wasting everyone's time by posting questions that already have been answered multiple times over, absolutely. If you can't be bothered to first read a thread to avoid posting in it redundantly, message board activity probably isn't your thing.

Dude, take a nap. I get that your default is to be cranky but now you're just going overboard. It's an 80 page thread, only a complete an utter nerd expected someone to read the whole thing.
 
Dude, take a nap. I get that your default is to be cranky but now you're just going overboard. It's an 80 page thread, only a complete an utter nerd expected someone to read the whole thing.

Dude...
 
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