PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

OT: Lamar Jackson


Status
Not open for further replies.
He will have 2-weeks to heal up before they beat the Niners in the Super Bowl. Nothing to see here.
 
He will have 2-weeks to heal up before they beat the Niners in the Super Bowl. Nothing to see here.

Well, you should be psyched. Your two favorite teams! (along with any team not called the Patriots) :D (j/k... sort of... okay, not really)
 
Quad injury. That's what happens when you have a RB for a QB.
 
alt-5a8f2aef44513-4922-74700bcf33fba43c9426ba282d93c900@1x.jpg

Turd sandwich?
 
I think there is a difference between a qb like Wilson, or Rodgers, who are great passers, and can run when need be, and a qb like Jackson, who's game is built around his ability to run. Argue all you want, if Jackson loses a step or two he will not be effective.
 
Pocket Qb are more likely to last longer, period. Anyone who claim otherwise has no clue what he's talking about.
 
Probably just a muscle cramp in the leg and they keeping him out as a precaution. That is sensible since he is their best player. Nothing to see here. Brady is on the injury report every week.
 
Jets' D is salivating.
 
This is what happened to Cam after that MVP 2015 season. The next year he just got beatdown after beatdown and then kept complaining that he shouldn't have to take hits because he's a QB. It's already starting from the whiny Ravens camp and is bound to get worse. He'll probably make it through this season which will be their best chance, and after that expect some whippings week after week.

So funny how the typical mediots are declaring this a "new era" of the running QB and acting like Jackson already has a Canton bust carved out since this is bound to continue for the next fifteen yeras; like we haven't seen this exact same thing happen about seven times and each time fizzle out quickly.
 
I've posted multiple studies that show there's no difference.

Do you have anything to back up your claim? Anything at all?

There is obviously something lost in the studies that you're providing. Many have pointed out that it isn't necessarily a serious injury that derail "running" quarterbacks but cumulative effect that shortens their window of effectiveness. Let's just define a running QB as a QB who is very dependent on his running ability, and supposing that he couldn't threaten the defense for positive yardage, would not be a starting quarterback. In other words, passing ability (accuracy/decision making) often appears to be better than it really is because the threat of the run creates favorable matchups. That isn't the same as, say, a mobile QB who typically uses scrambling ability to elude a pass rush but is ultimately trying to create space to throw the football...in the vein of Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson (or even Tom Brady could be considered mobile in some ways since his footwork is so great at avoiding pressure.)

Lamar Jackson is very much a running QB. It's self-evident and crazy to dispute that. Supposing his running ability virtually disappeared, could he throw from the line of scrimmage consistently and be a good quarterback? Many doubt that. Again, his passing stats in college are also inflated by the dual threat nature of his abilities.

Regarding the opinion that these scrambling QBs are more susceptible to injury, shorter careers, etc., it just seems so obvious.

The first QB I remember watching who could rack up yardage was Steve Young, though he is one of the few running QBs who was deadly from the pocket as well. But look at the absolutely crazy beating he took over his career with all the concussions. The dude's brain got fried, and there have been many stories about the effects of these injuries; he was so clearly and demonstrably more susceptible to big hits and concussions when tucking the ball and running. This actually happened and isn't some assumption or revisionist history.

Daunte Culpepper was another QB who showed just how much the dual threat can inflate passing stats. After his injury, he went could no longer run through a defense and his pocket play deteriorated. Everyone swore he was a great QB regardless of his ability to run, but that was shown to not be the case.

RGIII??? Another guy who many thought was a gimmicky run-first guy, and it turns out they were right. Sure, he had a devastating injury, but how many classic pocket passers have shredded a knee and then returned to their form? Many of them. RGIII was dependent on his running option style but was not actually a great passer, contrary to the eye test his first season.

Colin Kaepernick set a lot of these records that Lamar Jackson is now breaking, and this was also under Roman. Yet another guy who was suspected of being dependent on his running threat and confirmed to be the case. He gradually lost speed and burst and couldn't overcome that loss. Granted, he was probably still starter quality and got blackballed, but look at the decline from 2012-14 that led to Roman's ultimate firing. Long-term, this stuff doesn't work.

Cam Newton peaked in 2015, despite questions about his accuracy and decision making. He ran the ball very well and almost carried the Panthers to a championship. Seems like a QB in his mid-20s playing at such a high level would not begin falling off a cliff so soon, so why Cam? Is there really any question that his running style has led to frequent injuries, some keeping him on the bench and some just slowing him down and greatly effecting his overall production? He's a clear and obvious example of the rise and fall of a QB with this style not being able to survive the physical pounding of the NFL for as long as traditional pocket passers. And he's a big, strong guy who outlasted many others.

How about Tyrod Taylor? He was looking pretty good for a couple of years in Buffalo. What was it about his game that led people to believe it would be short-lived success? He lost a step and is now a backup, and no one is surprised.
 
This is what happened to Cam after that MVP 2015 season. The next year he just got beatdown after beatdown and then kept complaining that he shouldn't have to take hits because he's a QB. It's already starting from the whiny Ravens camp and is bound to get worse. He'll probably make it through this season which will be their best chance, and after that expect some whippings week after week.

So funny how the typical mediots are declaring this a "new era" of the running QB and acting like Jackson already has a Canton bust carved out since this is bound to continue for the next fifteen yeras; like we haven't seen this exact same thing happen about seven times and each time fizzle out quickly.

Lol at you comparing Jackson to Cam
 
Had the patriots drafted Jackson people would be singing a different tune. He would be worshipped by the city of Boston
 
Had the patriots drafted Jackson people would be singing a different tune. He would be worshipped by the city of Boston

Would we even know what we had in Jackson right now if that were the case?
 
Lol at you comparing Jackson to Cam

Had the patriots drafted Jackson people would be singing a different tune. He would be worshipped by the city of Boston

Lol at you not understanding the point of the post at all. Of course Boston fans would be doing cartwheels about having Lamar Jackson right now, as would any city. This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, which is centered around the long-term viability of running this type of offense like the Ravens. And from a physical standpoint, lol at you comparing Cam to Jackson. Cam is a really big, strong athlete who withstood physical beatings for years before derailing to injury. Jackson is a small framed guy whose body is going to take a beating just like Cam if he continues with this style. No one is disputing Jackson's amazing abilities and success, but there is rightful skepticism that he will be able to do this long-term.

This thread was started by Jackson's quadriceps injury, not Jackson's abilities. And the Ravens players already b1tching about teams going after his legs. This is exactly the tune of Cam Newton's 2016 season.
 
Would we even know what we had in Jackson right now if that were the case?

If he showcased even half of what he’s done in the pre season.

This forum would need to be closed down.

Do you trust Stidham next year?
 
Lol at you not understanding the point of the post at all. Of course Boston fans would be doing cartwheels about having Lamar Jackson right now, as would any city. This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, which is centered around the long-term viability of running this type of offense like the Ravens. And from a physical standpoint, lol at you comparing Cam to Jackson. Cam is a really big, strong athlete who withstood physical beatings for years before derailing to injury. Jackson is a small framed guy whose body is going to take a beating just like Cam if he continues with this style. No one is disputing Jackson's amazing abilities and success, but there is rightful skepticism that he will be able to do this long-term.

Jackson’s passes just look so much more accurate than any version of cams.
 
If he showcased even half of what he’s done in the pre season.

This forum would need to be closed down.

Do you trust Stidham next year?

Not sure. Won’t know until a real game next year to see his growth in Y2 compared to how he played this past preseason.
 
Jackson’s passes just look so much more accurate than any version of cams.

Do you even see how much margin of error Jackson has on these passes due to the defensive mismatches his scrambling abilities create? These are literally passes that any college quarterback could make consistently. Again, I'm not saying he can't succeed in a situation where he has to make the same normal, extremely difficult passes that most QBs have to make, but he hasn't proven that he can either. Being competently accurate against a baffled defense trying to contain the run at all costs is quite different from being accurate against the more common challenges he'd face should his running abilities be hindered. He has mismatches and defensive breakdowns everywhere due to his explosive abilities. Good for him to create those through his own skills, but let's understand what we're actually seeing.

Heard the same thing about RGIII and Kaepernick, that both have the accuracy to succeed without running the option. Heard it about many QBs. But then they were actually forced to try it and failed.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


MORSE: Patriots Draft Needs and Draft Related Info
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/19: News and Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf’s Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/18/24
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/18: News and Notes
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/17: News and Notes
Tuesday Patriots Notebook 4/16: News and Notes
Monday Patriots Notebook 4/15: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-14, Mock Draft 3.0, Gilmore, Law Rally For Bill 
Potential Patriot: Boston Globe’s Price Talks to Georgia WR McConkey
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/12: News and Notes
Back
Top