Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

Man, good thing we didn’t keep AB. He would’ve brought a LOT of bad press to Foxboro.

lol (I’m kidding guys, relax)

Joey007 said:

Even with that I would need to know the context of those 8 minutes.

I would not be shocked at all if the sideline was being filmed at some point anyways. That would be obvious to me. But is there anything being focused upon, and are they looking at the clock as a reference? That’s what I want to know.

I don’t see why a general camera view of the Bengals sideline would be any suspicious indicator that more than a simple infraction occurred. Whether it’s more than that will be telling.

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Strongly agree there. Also is it an 8 minute stretch where they are rolling and it’s on the sideline? Or is there cumulatively 8 mins of direct sideline film throughout the game? That matters

sb1 said:

Goodell said Spygate had no competitive advantage gained either and we lost our first rounder... and that was when we were not “repeat offenders” in the eyes of the league and in perception.

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I said no competitive advantage or intent to gain a competitive advantage. The latter was certainly true. That was also their rationale behind the “repeat offenders” in a DeflateGate because they “concluded” that Brady and staffers were trying to gain a competitive advantage. If the NFL is inclined to believe the Patriots as Rapoport has reported but Mort has not yet confirmed, that means the Patriots were not trying to gain a competitive advantage and it truly was an honest error. That should completely change things.

Why some posters here are actively rooting for there to have been malicious wrongdoing and a heavy-handed punishment from the league is completely beyond me.

Only makes sense to think/feel that way if you're not actually a Patriots' fan.

Report: NFL 'Inclined To Believe' Patriots' Explanation On Bengals Video, Resolution Could Come Soon

Has anyone gone through this yet? Early indications from Rapoport and others have been relatively encouraging in terms of what the feel is here on this whole thing.

Definitely not out of the woods yet though.

sb1 said:

Goodell said Spygate had no competitive advantage gained either and we lost our first rounder... and that was when we were not “repeat offenders” in the eyes of the league and in perception.

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Two different situations. In 2007 the pats football staff had thought it was ok to film from an unapproved location. That film was going to be used by the staff. If we’re to believe BB in this instance he had no knowledge and anything captured on the video would be used by the pats PR dept.

Hammer of Thor said:

I said no competitive advantage or intent to gain a competitive advantage. The latter was certainly true. That was also their rationale behind the “repeat offenders” in a DeflateGate because they “concluded” that Brady and staffers were trying to gain a competitive advantage. If the NFL is inclined to believe the Patriots as Rapoport has reported but Mort has not yet confirmed, that means the Patriots were not trying to gain a competitive advantage and it truly was an honest error. That should completely change things.

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In this case I’d say the latter would depend exactly what was on the tape and why it was done.

but they did break the rules intentional or not. They admitted it. They will be penalized.

KontradictioN said:

I don’t think they did anything to warrant a punishment. Of course this means that the NFL will likely confiscate picks. But in reality, there doesn’t sound like there was any harm done. That camera crew should be relieved of their duties, though. What an utter lack of awareness given what this franchise went through during Spygate. I’d be surprised if they weren’t fired on the spot.

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I thought the camera man was an independent contractor?

sb1 said:

In this case I’d say the latter would depend exactly what was on the tape and why it was done.

but they did break the rules intentional or not. They will be penalized.

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I think it’s clear a fine is coming no matter what.

That would be the best case scenario all around. I think everyone knows that much would be justified.

Not sure what to make of this...is ordway reliable?

sb1 said:

Goodell said Spygate had no competitive advantage gained either and we lost our first rounder... and that was when we were not “repeat offenders” in the eyes of the league and in perception.

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I hear you, but videos meant for the coaches to watch, even if Goodell can determine weren't a competitive advantage, are still completely different from videos meant for the internet to watch.

TommyBrady12 said:

Not sure what to make of this...is ordway reliable?

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Pretty sure it would have been longer anyway if they weren’t caught. Either way it all depends on what is on that tape.

sb1 said:

In this case I’d say the latter would depend exactly what was on the tape and why it was done.

but they did break the rules intentional or not. They admitted it. They will be penalized.

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Yes, there will be a penalty, no doubt. But the distinction is between a $250k fine versus a $1m fine, 1 year BB suspension, and 2 first round pick forfeitures. One penalizes the team for its lack of controls and proper oversight and doesn’t try to correct for any competitive imbalance; the other penalizes the team for lack of oversight and controls, plus intends to both punish and correct the on field produce for attempting to gain a competitive advantage (yet again in the eyes of the league). Huge distinction, penalties in both cases though.

Joey007 said:

Report: NFL 'Inclined To Believe' Patriots' Explanation On Bengals Video, Resolution Could Come Soon

Has anyone gone through this yet? Early indications from Rapoport and others have been relatively encouraging in terms of what the feel is here on this whole thing.

Definitely not out of the woods yet though.

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Never out of the woods with the clown in charge of the league.

KontradictioN said:

I don’t think they did anything to warrant a punishment. Of course this means that the NFL will likely confiscate picks. But in reality, there doesn’t sound like there was any harm done. That camera crew should be relieved of their duties, though. What an utter lack of awareness given what this franchise went through during Spygate. I’d be surprised if they weren’t fired on the spot.

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After Spygate, no Patriots-employee, or even a contracted outsider should be holding a camera. Jesus fcking Christ! What value does this stupid 'Do Your Job' BS documentary even add?!?! Why even bother with useless **** like that? At opposing teams' stadiums nonetheless? and if you had to do it, why film at an opponent that you play this year? Why not tape at an opponent's stadium you are not playing this year? Why not at an NFC venue not on the Patriots' schedule? Would it have mattered in the context of the video?!?! God, I'm so pissed over this. I wouldn't be surprised if this team will now get penalized in the form of lost draft pick, and if it doesn't, that's such bad publicity this team certainly doesn't need. All because Kraft needed to make a couple of extra shekels off his conglomerate franchise! ****!

Hammer of Thor said:

Yes, there will be a penalty, no doubt. But the distinction is between a $250k fine versus a $1m fine, 1 year BB suspension, and 2 first round pick forfeitures. One penalizes the team for its lack of controls and proper oversight and doesn’t try to correct for any competitive imbalance; the other penalizes the team for lack of oversight and controls, plus intends to both punish and correct the on field produce for attempting to gain a competitive advantage (yet again in the eyes of the league). Huge distinction, penalties in both cases though.

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Right. No question the Patriots will be naming an interim coach if they find BB was lying about the football ops relationship with this video crew.

There is precedent with Sean Payton. Plausible deniability and he was still gone for a year.

If Belichick is lying, he will be banished from the league he has worked in and loved for 40+ years.

Sorry, I just can't believe Belichick is dead-ass lying about this.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

I thought the camera man was an independent contractor?

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Then their account should be terminated with the team.

I actually wouldn’t have much of a problem with this if it’s true.

TommyBrady12 said:

Not sure what to make of this...is ordway reliable?

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No and if you actually listen to the audio it's different than what that tweet says. Ordway is merely throwing speculative **** against the wall, like all the boston mediots do