N'Keal Harry's Production

captain stone said:

Apparently not...It's of course true that Every RB will benefit from a better OL & excellent blocking FBs & TEs...What's also true is that Soreknee cannot generate yards after contact: the first defender to touch him also tackles him...Michelle is therefore also part of the Problem.

Given Bill's history with having Power Backs as well as 3rd-Down Backs in the building, I was a little surprised (and obviously very VERY disappointed) that he decided to draft this JAG instead of the far studlier Nick Chubb.

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Michel missed time with knee problems. He doesn't seem to cut as well as he did in college, taking little stutter steps to turn in the NFL, whereas in college he just seemed to do immediate, explosive cuts. Chubb was the one who seemed to be the injury risk, and Michel at least in college seemed to be more versatile in catching and blocking (which apparently has not translated well to the NFL). So while it may not have worked out due to injury, I can sort of see why Michel was rated higher than Chubb.

So maybe

Also, there might have been a higher grade from Belichick for those intangibles he prizes, like character, leadership. I can't make a comment either way since I don't follow college football that closely, but that might also have factored into the decision to draft Michel. Michel does seem like a good teammate.

TomPatriot said:

Well, there was Emmitt. He was quietly a great back.

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Emmitt had great offensive lines and a great passing attack with Aikman, Irvin, Harper, and Novacek.

As a runner, I don't put him in the same class as Barry Sanders. Emmitt was still elite, but I don't think he repeats that type of production playing on the Detroit Lions teams that Sanders did.

I remember Jimmy Johnson basically agreeing on a Fox Sunday, but pointing out that Emmitt was a better blocker and pass catcher.

DarrylS said:

Cannot compare the two.. AJ Brown has had 506 snaps in 13 games. Yesterday he had 52

Harry has had a grand total of 113 in 4 games 2 yesterday..

Crappy comparison...

As mentioned previous it is rumored that Brady is not throwing a lot in practices these days due to elbow issues.. did you ever notice him with an ice pack on after a game, he did so yesterday.

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Another lame excuse. Harry went all through camp AND practiced prior to leaving IR.

All I heard was just wait until Harry gets back. Youll see. Guy is a monster. HAHAHA

Harry was almost shut out last night. 1 reception for 12 yards.

rads2005 said:

Michel missed time with knee problems. He doesn't seem to cut as well as he did in college, taking little stutter steps to turn in the NFL, whereas in college he just seemed to do immediate, explosive cuts. Chubb was the one who seemed to be the injury risk, and Michel at least in college seemed to be more versatile in catching and blocking (which apparently has not translated well to the NFL). So while it may not have worked out due to injury, I can sort of see why Michel was rated higher than Chubb.

So maybe

Also, there might have been a higher grade from Belichick for those intangibles he prizes, like character, leadership. I can't make a comment either way since I don't follow college football that closely, but that might also have factored into the decision to draft Michel. Michel does seem like a good teammate.

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Fumbling. For all the complaining (and rightfully so with regards to catching and yards after contact) he’s actually really good as protecting the football. Something BB covets. Dont know about Chubbs career fumble totals so far but he did fumble twice against us this year.

I’ve been harsh on Harry but I’ll give him another season before making up my mind on what he could be.

Meyers needs to go though. He has worse hands than Aaron Dobson. You can tell Brady doesn’t even have words for him anymore.

VJCPatriot said:

Stop spreading fake news. N'Keal Harry had 22 snaps for 25% of the offensive snaps in the game.
Sanu had 19 snaps for 22% of the offensive snaps.

Source:
New England Patriots snap count summary at footballguys.com

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You’re referring to the Houston game. 2 snaps vs. Chiefs.

Patriots rookie first-rounder N'Keal Harry sees only two snaps vs. Chiefs, leaves with injury

He's not getting snaps because he isn't good. He's healthy. On what planet is not seeing the field used as an argument in a player's favor? What, do you think he's a superstar but he looked at Bill the wrong way or something? This is stupid.

I've seen a lot of UDFA rookies do a lot worse in their rookie year.

Obviously, we need better for our all of our receivers. Of course, with another offseason, he might be one of those WR's.

Kdo5 said:

I’ve been harsh on Harry but I’ll give him another season before making up my mind on what he could be.

Meyers needs to go though. He has worse hands than Aaron Dobson. You can tell Brady doesn’t even have words for him anymore.

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Darius Slayton another rookie WR blowing up tonight


Fire our WR scouts

NG Pats Fan said:

Darius Slayton another rookie WR blowing up tonight


Fire our WR scouts

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I don't know about "firing our WR scouts" but sure as hell it's questionable that Joe Judge can coach both special teams and WR's. We have two promising rookie WR's annd one still isn't ready to play (Harry) and the other is inexplicably regressing (Meyers) . At this point have to question the coaching, too.

Geez people get a grip he was a blown call away from a 2nd touchdown in 3 games.

Triumph said:

Another lame excuse. Harry went all through camp AND practiced prior to leaving IR.

All I heard was just wait until Harry gets back. Youll see. Guy is a monster. HAHAHA

Harry was almost shut out last night. 1 reception for 12 yards.

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Who did you hear it from?? Sports talk radio??

You fail to recognize that he had 1 reception while he played 2 snaps..

Difficult to assess all that much after a NFL guy plays 4 games.. wait a while, and you may learn something..

DarrylS said:

Who did you hear it from?? Sports talk radio??

You fail to recognize that he had 1 reception while he played 2 snaps..

Difficult to assess all that much after a NFL guy plays 4 games.. wait a while, and you may learn something..

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No, I heard from the Homers like you.

Your Harry is hurt again BTW.

Triumph said:

No, I heard from the Homers like you.

Your Harry is hurt again BTW.

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It's his fault he got hurt?? In a sport where the average career expectancy is about 3.5 years lots of injuries happen..

Sorry to confuse you but never touted the merits of Harry, my contention is and was wait and see and do not pass judgement until Jan. 2021... not complicated.

Kdo5 said:

I’ve been harsh on Harry but I’ll give him another season before making up my mind on what he could be.

Meyers needs to go though. He has worse hands than Aaron Dobson. You can tell Brady doesn’t even have words for him anymore.

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You usually have to wait until the 3rd/4th season before a player really reaches their prime. That's the intersection of peak athleticism and knowledge/experiencce.

PP2 said:

You usually have to wait until the 3rd/4th season before a player really reaches their prime. That's the intersection of peak athleticism and knowledge/experiencce.

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If this were basketball I’d agree with you but with football I don’t think that’s the case. You can get a pretty good idea of what you have sooner than that.

notex said:

Geez people get a grip he was a blown call away from a 2nd touchdown in 3 games.

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THIS.

I have only seen three targets to this guy....one was a bad one where he didn't box out...the other two were touchdowns!

If WR's were fired and left the league based own their rookie years, most of the top WR's wouldn't ever have developed.

Kdo5 said:

If this were basketball I’d agree with you but with football I don’t think that’s the case. You can get a pretty good idea of what you have sooner than that.

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The problem isn't that Harry is having a bad rookie year. A lot of WRs aren't that hot their rookie year...

The problem is that Harry is having a bad rookie year in a year when we NEED him to be good and on TOP of that we passed on multiple wide receivers in the draft who are having BETTER rookie years. It's the fact that we need him to be good, he ain't ready yet, and there are MULTIPLE other receivers in the draft that we could have taken later who have shown themselves to be ready to at least contribute substantially in their rookie years.

I mean right now would you take DK Metcalf and his 783 yards and 5 TDs, how about Terry Mclaurin with his 703 yards and 6 TDs, or how about Deebo Samuel with 640 yards and 3 TDs, etc. These are players that we liked in the draft and the Patriots passed on and have now gone on to produce at the NFL level. Why do the Patriots continue to fail to draft and develop good NFL WRs? Outside of 7th rounder Julian Edelman the cupboard has been bare for a DECADE.

If a team NEEDS to have a top WR, then the answer is NOT to draft a WR and expect that he is the one in three that is a serious contribution in his rookie year.

Drafting a WR in the late first is an effort to have a solid contributor in Year 2 or 3.

And, sure, there are WR's that worked out better as rookies than Harry. Actually, that is my point. Perhaps, there are teams that reliably draft contributing rookie WR's that fit right into their systems.

The reality is that this strategy simply doesn't work for the patriots. Perhaps, we should have spent $5M or more of 2019 cap on an acquisition. And just BTW, Harry was injured. It its not as if we drafted a first rounder who has played all year and not produced. You quoted yardage by other rookies. Do you think that they would have that yardage if they were injured for the first half of the season?

The BOTTOM LINE, is that Harry was a reasonable choice at the time. he wasn't a major reach. Many would have chosen him, many would have chosen others. Many wouldn't have draft a WR in the first round.

VJCPatriot said:

The problem isn't that Harry is having a bad rookie year. A lot of WRs aren't that hot their rookie year...

The problem is that Harry is having a bad rookie year in a year when we NEED him to be good and on TOP of that we passed on multiple wide receivers in the draft who are having BETTER rookie years. It's the fact that we need him to be good, he ain't ready yet, and there are MULTIPLE other receivers in the draft that we could have taken later who have shown themselves to be ready to at least contribute substantially in their rookie years.

I mean right now would you take DK Metcalf and his 783 yards and 5 TDs, how about Terry Mclaurin with his 703 yards and 6 TDs, or how about Deebo Samuel with 640 yards and 3 TDs, etc. These are players that we liked in the draft and the Patriots passed on and have now gone on to produce at the NFL level. Why do the Patriots continue to fail to draft and develop good NFL WRs? Outside of 7th rounder Julian Edelman the cupboard has been bare for a DECADE.

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