Poor drafting now biting the Patriots in the butt?

Nehalem · Dec 9, 2019

VJCPatriot said:
2019 class. The Patriots already have made some notable misses in terms of WR. Harry has not looked good, but he's a rookie coming off injury. Joejuan Williams is essentially a healthy scratch or DNP each game, and Harris is on IR.

He actually isn't

Which doesn't really detract from your point

IllegalContact · Dec 9, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
How many of those draft picks are actually contributing compared to Ravens and KC.

23

Ravens 23
Chiefs....who cares the number will be less

VJCPatriot · Dec 9, 2019

Nehalem said:
He actually isn't

Which doesn't really detract from your point

Let me correct that then. Harris is not on IR but he is in Joejuan Williams boat = effectively inactive.

Harris has played 0 snaps since being activated in week 11. Unfortunately it's easy to miss a guy who never plays.

Snap counts:
New England Patriots snap count summary at footballguys.com

Mustangs84 · Dec 9, 2019

I don’t get people going on about all the different WR’s we could have taken over the years. What makes anybody think they would have worked here? I’m not sure if it’s the system, Brady not trusting rookies, bad scouting, some combination of everything, but at this point I have some doubts that guys like Ridley or AJ Brown would have been effective here. Weird and frustrating situation.

Bourne Again Christian · Dec 9, 2019

I have nightmares about RAS I Dowling when I think about JoeJuan Williams
To think in this draft we could of had both Deebo Samuel AJ Brown or change out Brown for Terry Mcclaurin.

BaconGrundleCandy · Dec 9, 2019

1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville

Value: Baltimore is just as guilty for drafting a 30 y/o TE but the point stands. You can find RBs mid-late Rds. How many different one have we won w? Smith, Dillon, Blount etc

1st Rd is for QB/OL/DL/CB w very few exceptions. RB is the cherry on top of the sundae.

Deus Irae · Dec 9, 2019

Mustangs84 said:
I don’t get people going on about all the different WR’s we could have taken over the years. What makes anybody think they would have worked here? I’m not sure if it’s the system, Brady not trusting rookies, bad scouting, some combination of everything, but at this point I have some doubts that guys like Ridley or AJ Brown would have been effective here. Weird and frustrating situation.

Quick!

Name all the BB era Patriots WR draft picks who busted in New England, but then went on to great careers elsewhere.

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

IllegalContact said:
23

Ravens 23
Chiefs....who cares the number will be less

I don’t buy that. We are very devoid of talent on O

IllegalContact · Dec 9, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
I don’t buy that. We are very devoid of talent on O

who cares what you buy......look it up for yourself

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

BaconGrundleCandy said:
1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville

Value: Baltimore is just as guilty for drafting a 30 y/o TE but the point stands. You can find RBs mid-late Rds. How many different one have we won w? Smith, Dillon, Blount etc

1st Rd is for QB/OL/DL/CB w very few exceptions. RB is the cherry on top of the sundae.

Baltimore May have missed with their first pick, but their second pick they drafted the NFL MVP.

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

Mustangs84 said:
I don’t get people going on about all the different WR’s we could have taken over the years. What makes anybody think they would have worked here? I’m not sure if it’s the system, Brady not trusting rookies, bad scouting, some combination of everything, but at this point I have some doubts that guys like Ridley or AJ Brown would have been effective here. Weird and frustrating situation.

Think Brady couldn’t make it work with DJ Moore? Have you seen him play?

Mustangs84 · Dec 9, 2019

BaconGrundleCandy said:
1 31 New England Patriots Sony Michel RB Georgia
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson QB Louisville

Value: Baltimore is just as guilty for drafting a 30 y/o TE but the point stands. You can find RBs mid-late Rds. How many different one have we won w? Smith, Dillon, Blount etc

1st Rd is for QB/OL/DL/CB w very few exceptions. RB is the cherry on top of the sundae.

I actually like the Michel pick, I thought he could be in the David Johnson mold. Not saying he’d be as good as David Johnson, but thought he could play on every down, catch some passes, and really keep the offense flexible. Instead, in his limited chances at catching or running routes he’s been mediocre, so they trot him out there to only run. I DO think he’s been a victim of some awful line play, but I can understand the criticism on the pick for a two down back.

Mustangs84 · Dec 9, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
Think Brady couldn’t make it work with DJ Moore? Have you seen him play?

Of course I have. I’m not questioning anybody’s talent, I’m saying something is very odd when there are so many failed ‘experiments’ WR. Hell even some of our best FA wr’s over the years we’re just average players on other teams.

203Pat · Dec 9, 2019

patsinthesnow said:
It's really 2017+ & not 2014-2016.

2014

Stork played well in a SB season

Garoppolo won 2 games in 2016 & netted the 43rd pick in the 2018 draft

James White no explanation needed

Malcolm Butler UDFA - SB hero & 2018 3rd round comp pick

2015

Trey Flowers great DE, SB hero (2016) & 2020 3rd round comp pick

Shaq Mason elite RG prior to this season

David Andrews UDFA - great center

Malcolm Brown two good seasons

2016

Joe Thuney elite LG

Jacoby Brissett turns into Philip Dorsett who came up big during the 2018 SB run

Malcolm Mitchell productive 2016 season & SB

Elandon Roberts depth ILB & Karras capable C

Jonathan Jones UDFA - great slot CB

These drafts & UDFA classes are fine IMO. It's the last three classes that are holding the team back specifically on offense.

3rd round pick Antonio Garcia
3rd round pick Derek Rivers
1st round pick Sony Michel
1st round pick Isaiah Wynn
2nd round pick Duke Dawson
1st round pick N'Keal Harry
2nd round pick Joejuan Williams
3rd round pick Damien Harris
3rd round pick Chase Winovich
UDFA JC Jackson
UDFA Adam Butler

They need more from that group. No doubt about it. Currently they are getting a LT, a 2 down RB & a rotational OLB out of 9 top 100 picks the last few drafts

Stork was average and drafted at an appropriate pick to his production. Jimmy would’ve been a home run had we traded him for what the rumors were but we didn’t so that wasn’t a great pick for us.

Malcom Brown was always average and not worthy of a first round pick.

Brissett was a bad pick for us. If your justification for making him a good pick is that we traded him for a guy who had a good game then I don’t know what to tell you.
Mitchell could’ve been good but ultimately you don’t want to use a draft pick on a guy who plays a half season.

patsinthesnow · Dec 9, 2019

203Pat said:
Stork was average and drafted at an appropriate pick to his production. Jimmy would’ve been a home run had we traded him for what the rumors were but we didn’t so that wasn’t a great pick for us.

Malcom Brown was always average and not worthy of a first round pick.

Brissett was a bad pick for us. If you’re justification for making him a good pick is that we traded him for a guy who had a good game then I don’t know what to tell you.
Mitchell could’ve been good but ultimately you don’t want to use a draft pick on a guy who plays a half season.

Didn’t say that. He wasn’t a zero however. Just as Mitchell wasn’t either. The standards evaluating the 2014-2016 drafts are high IMO. The team would take them over the recent ones

Deus Irae · Dec 9, 2019

Mustangs84 said:
Hell even some of our best FA wr’s over the years we’re just average players on other teams.

Who are these players?

203Pat · Dec 9, 2019

patsinthesnow said:
Didn’t say that. He wasn’t a zero however. Just as Mitchell wasn’t either. The standards evaluating the 2014-2016 drafts are high IMO. The team would take them over the recent ones

So the goal is not to draft a complete zero? Way to set the bar high.

patsinthesnow · Dec 9, 2019

203Pat said:
So the goal is not to draft a complete zero? Way to set the bar high.

It’s about weighing the draft as a whole. Keep putting words in my mouth though.

Brissett turning into Dorsett is a better draft pick than a Derek Rivers. There are degrees to a pick being a home run to a bust.

BradyFTW! · Dec 9, 2019

If nothing else, getting so little out of Michel and Harry is killing us right now, yeah.

When you invest that kind of draft capital in skill position guys, and your skill positions ave as little depth as ours currently do, they absolutely have to perform.

Tottie · Dec 9, 2019

I'm not sure drafting Lamar would of helped anyone except the Ravens. John deserves coach of the year for having the balls to totally change the playbook and go with a guy who even this year doesn't look good as a passer. It's way above my knowledge but however they are opening these 1 read throwing lanes for him is pretty cool. This is their window, they need to win this year if they can. Point is - would Bill of done that with Lamar? I don't think so. Bill probably pukes a little bit in his mouth thinking of having a QB play that way for him.

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