N'Keal Harry's Production

luuked · Dec 9, 2019

TomPatriot said:
Not mocking you here. They're not changing the offensive philosophy for N'Keal. AB maybe.

They don't need to change anything. CP was used exactly as I would use Harry until he polishes his route running on timed routes. Make use of his talents even if it is just a package of plays like with CP.

In games like yesterday or even against Houston this can be the differences between a loss and a win.

NYCPATS4LIFE · Dec 9, 2019

luuked said:
They don't need to change anything. CP was used exactly as I would use Harry until he polishes his route running on timed routes. Make use of his talents even if it is just a package of plays like with CP.

In games like yesterday or even against Houston this can be the differences between a loss and a win.

Can you play him more than two snaps? Geez

TomPatriot · Dec 9, 2019

luuked said:
They don't need to change anything. CP was used exactly as I would use Harry until he polishes his route running on timed routes. Make use of his talents even if it is just a package of plays like with CP.

In games like yesterday or even against Houston this can be the differences between a loss and a win.

I get what you're saying. Given this offense's struggles, they might as well try that. He's nowhere near as fast as CP, though. CP was in the league several years and had. the toughness part down. Not Harry is that tough yet. Then again, maybe that comes with playing.

mgcolby · Dec 9, 2019

Dude only catches touchdowns....well sorta

luuked · Dec 9, 2019

TomPatriot said:
I get what you're saying. Given this offense's struggles, they might as well try that. He's nowhere near as fast as CP, though. CP was in the league several years and had. the toughness part down. Not Harry is that tough yet. Then again, maybe that comes with playing.

And Harry has more elusiveness than CP. It is definitely better than seeing another questionable Edelman screen or jet going for minus yards.

TomPatriot · Dec 9, 2019

luuked said:
And Harry has more elusiveness than CP. It is definitely better than seeing another questionable Edelman screen or jet going for minus yards.

This brings up another interesting point. How many times are the Pats going to use plays with mediocre execution that the opponents obviously plan for?

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

50-yard-line said:
Said this a couple of weeks ago: if the Pats were going to stick to this kind of offense, why transition the bulk of the receiving corps to bigger, less-twitch receivers?

Why draft Harry when Deebo Samuel is sitting there? Or a bunch of other guys like Samuel - Isabella, Hardman, etc.

I'm not saying these guys are BETTER than Harry, but they certainly fit what the Pats keep running better than Harry, Gordon, Thomas, and all the other guys the Pats brought in. Just don't get it.

That said, the problems on the team remain pretty obvious: their OL is getting blown up and they never addressed an in-line TE in any meaningful way.

Or AJ Brown! You see what he did yesterday

DK Metcalf looks like a stud too

And Terry Mclaurin, lots of separation

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

luuked said:
And Harry has more elusiveness than CP. It is definitely better than seeing another questionable Edelman screen or jet going for minus yards.

Patterson had 8 touchdowns as a rookie

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

Triumph said:
This place sure can dream up excuses.

AJ Brown - 51st pick 2019 draft

Yesterday 153 yards - 2 TDs. # 2 QB Ryan Tannehill is throwing the ball in his 7th start this season. AJ Brown went through camp and 6 games with Mariota.

Kneal Harry - 32nd pick 2019 draft

Yesterday 12 yards. GOAT throwing the ball.

Lots of excuses from this board...

Bill was given the opportunity to rebuild the offensive on three first round picks...he struck out.

Some of the players we passed up on

Lamar Jackson
Nick Chubb
Calvin Ridley
DJ Moore
DK Metcalf
Aj Brown
Deebo Samuel

This is ELITE talent dropping to late first round....

Triumph · Dec 9, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
Lots of excuses from this board...

Bill was given the opportunity to rebuild the offensive on three first round picks...he struck out.

Some of the players we passed up on

Lamar Jackson
Nick Chubb
Calvin Ridley
DJ Moore
DK Metcalf
Aj Brown
Deebo Samuel

This is ELITE talent dropping to late first round....

Deebo Samuel doesnt like seafood so couldnt draft him.

Chubb 1281 yards and 7 TDs to date. 5.1 yards a CARRY Nick Chubb Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Patstopia · Dec 9, 2019

Between a bad OL, an old QB and slow recievers with bad hands terrible RB's worse coach ever. We are just doomed.

Uptown · Dec 9, 2019

KontradictioN said:
Denver might be able to. They’re playing some good ball the last couple of games. The early ROI on Lock is positive.

Agreed. DEN very sneakily has the #1 ranked red zone defense.

VJCPatriot · Dec 9, 2019

Harry had 1 catch for 12 yards. Granted it should have been 15 yards and a TD if not for blind reffing. "The Fix is IN!" Overall though, still not good enough.

But final numbers are in: Harry had 25% of offensive snaps and Sanu had 22% of the snaps.

New England Patriots snap count summary at footballguys.com

Edelman had 92% of the offensive snaps but justified it with 8 catches for 95 yards and a TD.

Watson had 1 catch for 7 yards with his 54% of the snaps.

The production from TE and from WRs not named Edelman is terrible.

FCB02062 · Dec 9, 2019

How much "time" does Harry get before he's officially a bust? I mean Chad Jackson, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins have BLOWN AWAY Harry production-wise

Pretty sure most of the same people on here telling us to wait on Ras I Dowling before calling him a bust are the same people telling us it's too early to call Harry a bust

Scotty · Dec 9, 2019

On the other hand maybe Harry was drafted for the future , a future without brady and his style of play. I am not saying the teams offence will change overnight when tb12 hangs his cleats up or leaves but who knows what the offence will look like

JackBauer · Dec 9, 2019

FCB02062 said:
How much "time" does Harry get before he's officially a bust? I mean Chad Jackson, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins have BLOWN AWAY Harry production-wise

Pretty sure most of the same people on here telling us to wait on Ras I Dowling before calling him a bust are the same people telling us it's too early to call Harry a bust

Lots to take issue with here, but lets start with why you felt the need to put time in quotation marks?

TheRainMaker · Dec 9, 2019

NYCPATS4LIFE said:
I heard something about a hip but he says he’s good. I would love to know how many snaps he got in this game.

A whopping 2 snaps.

DarrylS · Dec 9, 2019

Triumph said:
This place sure can dream up excuses.

AJ Brown - 51st pick 2019 draft

Yesterday 153 yards - 2 TDs. # 2 QB Ryan Tannehill is throwing the ball in his 7th start this season. AJ Brown went through camp and 6 games with Mariota.

Kneal Harry - 32nd pick 2019 draft

Yesterday 12 yards. GOAT throwing the ball.

Cannot compare the two.. AJ Brown has had 506 snaps in 13 games. Yesterday he had 52

Harry has had a grand total of 113 in 4 games 2 yesterday..

Crappy comparison...

As mentioned previous it is rumored that Brady is not throwing a lot in practices these days due to elbow issues.. did you ever notice him with an ice pack on after a game, he did so yesterday.

VJCPatriot · Dec 9, 2019

TheRainMaker said:
A whopping 2 snaps.

Stop spreading fake news. N'Keal Harry had 22 snaps for 25% of the offensive snaps in the game.
Sanu had 19 snaps for 22% of the offensive snaps.

Source:
New England Patriots snap count summary at footballguys.com

NG Pats Fan · Dec 9, 2019

DarrylS said:
Cannot compare the two.. AJ Brown has had 506 snaps in 13 games. Yesterday he had 52

Harry has had a grand total of 113 in 4 games 2 yesterday..

Crappy comparison...

As mentioned previous it is rumored that Brady is not throwing a lot in practices these days due to elbow issues.. did you ever notice him with an ice pack on after a game, he did so yesterday.

Aj Brown and Tannehill probably had less practice time together than Brady and Harry and Brown has been a top 15 WR in the nfl since Tannehill took over.

5-153-2 yesterday stat line for Brown. Separation, speed, athleticism, hands, and ability for YAC. Brown also was a much better collegiate WR than Harry

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