Tom Brady vs LeBron James

1960Pats said:

I've never been a big fan of any of those type of lists or HOF votes. Plus, my NYFL fandom is winding down. Did they include many of the old timers?

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robertweathers said:

Only Muhammed Ali is allowed to say that.

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GodBrady said:

This is going to offend some people, but here it goes.

I do think that Brady is a modest and humble guy. But sometimes he's so over the top with his humility that it just comes off as him trying to be charming, or lip service.

I mean, he partnered with Purple Carrot, and their tagline for the line of Brady-inspired products is literally "eat like a GOAT". If it really bothered him that much, he easily has the clout to say, "look, I'll partner with you guys, but to switch that tagline -- it bothers me".

Then you have the TBTimes cartoons. I do think those are funny, they don't bother me in the least, but posting bravado cartoons after victories is a little indulgent, hardly a quality of The Most Humble Man Alive.

Bring on the "Disagrees" and the mental gymnastics as to why none of this matters. I know Tom is a legend so we have to go to every length possible to defend every single thing he does. I still love Brady in spite of all of this. Let me be clear: none of this bothers me in the least, I just don't think it's particularly humble.

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borg said:

Is he?
The self proclaimed greatest sure lost a lot

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borg said:

Is he?
The self proclaimed greatest sure lost a lot

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DarrylS said:

Interesting aside when I grew up in Newport, RI there used to be an annual tournament every year called the ESCIT (Eastern States Catholic Invitational Tournament) which will bring in the best Catholic Basketball teams from the east coast; DeMatha from Baltimore, Power Memorial from NYC, Catholic Memorial from Bos. and a bunch of others.

The Tournament was held at a local high school, Rogers High School, which probably had a capacity of <3K, so it was easy to watch the game.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was then known as Lew Alcindor, and played in NYC for Power Memorial and that team was a regular invitee. Had the privilege of attending all those ESCIT tournaments as I attended a local Catholic HS, De La Salle.. he was on a team that won something like 71 HS games in a row... that streak was broken when they played DeMatha in a much ballyhooed HS Basketball game where Jabbar was held below his season average of 30 points.

Point is that he was always great, and literally head and shoulders above everyone else starting in HS.. the torched was literally passed from Russell to Alcindor in 1969. Lew Alcindor did not change his name until 1971... his "dominance" began in High School.

Sorry for the history lesson, but cannot resist sharing those great times..

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sean10mm said:

Just throwing this out there: Bill Russell was a back to back champion as a player-coach which is just insanity.

At age 34 he was the defensive win shares leader as a player, and the head coach, and averaged over 19 rebounds a game.

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condon84 said:

I respect LeBron for his consistent greatness for such a long time but I would take not only Jordan but also Kobe over LeBron.

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• Giannis is more talented than LeBron was at this age and is even more of a physical freak, and his passing and shooting continue to improve. Will be interesting to see how many titles he can win if he stays healthy. He also makes his teammates better.
• In many ways Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Jordan, Magic and Bird, actually changed the game with unique skill sets. Don’t see that with LeBron. He’s just a really, really good player. In his era, Curry (and Thompson) are the more revolutionary players who have turned the NBA upside down by demonstrating what elite 3-point shooting can do.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Please don’t get me started on this. Unless you bring in guys from pre-1940, Ali is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all-time with no reasonable debate otherwise. He fought during the golden era of boxing back when it was the most important sporting event in the world. Losses to all-time greats like Frazier (coming back after being suspended for years, and adjusting to a totally new style after losing his quickness) and having his jaw broken by Ken Norton, are weak arguments that he isn’t the greatest. He won the two most famous boxing matches ever against Frazier and Foreman and went from the quickest boxer ever to a totally different immobile style. He humiliated truly great boxers throughout his career with total dominance. His role-a-dope against Foreman is virtually a superhuman feat, absorbing punches from the hardest hitter ever for six rounds.

He only had three losses, btw, one of them when he was totally washed up in his late 30s, though still had regained the title once again.

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BaconGrundleCandy said:

Ali had one of the greatest chins ever. His footwork was remarkable but I think his chin might have been his greatest attribute?
He walked through some of the hardest punchers of all time w a smile on his face, talking ****.

Great body too. Might sound funny buy I'm always looking at players physiques (long arms, high cut, proportionate etc)

Ali had a long, lean, loose body. Not muscles on top of muscles, all ripped up.

Him & RJJ might have had the perfect physiques for their respected sports imo. Jones was an alien. Long arms, big biceps, delts. Like a cobra when he hit you.

Anyway all due respect to Ali, easily on the short list of GOATS.
Walker Smith Jr was the GOAT imo.


Boxing is one of my favorites.

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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

There are a lot of people who feel this way. Kobe is the closest to Jordan in terms of his off the charts burning desire to win, and he always wanted the ball at the end of games to drop the dagger. He was also a remarkable defensive player. In his prime he had Pau Gasol for a few years and never left LA to build some stacked team (hey, let’s remember LeBron rebooted the super team concept before the Warriors...the Celtics in ‘07 weren’t manufactured like the Heat.)

Other notes about LeBron:

• Giannis is more talented than LeBron was at this age and is even more of a physical freak, and his passing and shooting continue to improve. Will be interesting to see how many titles he can win if he stays healthy. He also makes his teammates better.
• In many ways Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Jordan, Magic and Bird, actually changed the game with unique skill sets. Don’t see that with LeBron. He’s just a really, really good player. In his era, Curry (and Thompson) are the more revolutionary players who have turned the NBA upside down by demonstrating what elite 3-point shooting can do.

So yes, LeBron is probably the best of his generation, though Kobe arguments have merit, but considering he won’t likely win the most titles or change the course of the NBA, I think his all-time ranking will drop over time.

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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

1. Bill Russell (pre-expansion GOAT)
1. Kareem Abdul Jabar (post-expansion GOAT)
3. Michael Jordan
4/5. LeBron James/Magic Johnson (tie for now)

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sieglo said:

I’d put Bird in there at #4/5. Some great YouTube content out there comparing Bird and LeBron. Right now Bird is underrated simply because he’s white.

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robertweathers said:

LeBron is a 5x on the ball defender than Larry but in terms of blocked shots and steals per 36min they are even.

Bird was better at everything else except longevity and health

If I had to win a game and had the choice of either a LeBron or a Larry in their prime....it's Larry.

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Doctor DDS said:

League was so much more physical back when Bird played which made it much more difficult to score. With today's rules and 3 point focus I'd imagine Bird would have scored 30+ a game several years.

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Vindicate said:

James is probably a better athlete. Unfortunately for him, Jordan just had a far, far crazier killer instinct. It also is probably why Jordan is considered to be an insufferable *******, but what makes him a better player.

This is what I was hinting at with some drunken Brady post I made a few weeks back. Will to win and killer instinct just seems to be more profound and impactful than the technology, or in this case, the athleticism to get there.

Sure, someday there's a point where you just can't compete, regardless of your will. But until that happens, people like Jordan will edge out LeBron.

That being said, LeBron, as a person off the court, is probably far more likeable and also has been an ambassador for his culture in profound ways.

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