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i love this thread

i feel like a newbie, only been a pats fan since '86. one memory is:

on squish the phish sunday, 16 of us played a morning snow/mud football game destroying a field in tewksbury. the game/party that followed was epic. the night ended with 5 of us driving to warwick (drunk of course), to welcome home our conquering heros. i can't describe the feeling as grogan and tippett stepped off the plane around 1 am with 1000+ rabid pats fans cheering every step of the way. the police seemed happy to yell "kill" to their trained german shepherds as the crowd surged toward our invincable heros. meanwhile, the players seemed to overcome the shock of such a big receiving party and managed to high 5 every fan in sight

Did not play football that day, probably worked and had to listen to it on the radio.. without regard had my "squish the fish t-shirt" was also at the airport when they came back.. have been a fan since the early 70's, used to be a Browns fan.. Jim Brown is my all time fave.. one of my earliest Pats memories is going to Bryant for summer camp, when the players used to sign on the way out of practice.. never forget Hannah's neck, big as my thigh..
 
After 5 yrs this thread prompted me to stop merely lurking and write.
When I was 7, I hated Keith Lincoln with a passion.(206 or so rushing yards against the Pats in the '63 title game)
I was one of the sink pissers at the exhibition with the Giants that opened Schaefer stadium.
I'm still pissed at Chuck Fairbanks, and I wouldn't brake for Joe Kapp, or Mike Taliaferro, for that matter

Welcome aboard, man! (I'm assuming your gender from the pissing in the sink part, but ya never know).
 
I remember my father would go on the roof and point the antenna towards Portland ME so we could watch the game. Portland was outside the black out zone. I grew up in Ipswich so it was possible to get somewhat of a signal. It was filled with static but it did not matter since I was able to watch the game.
 
I remember my father would go on the roof and point the antenna towards Portland ME so we could watch the game. Portland was outside the black out zone. I grew up in Ipswich so it was possible to get somewhat of a signal. It was filled with static but it did not matter since I was able to watch the game.

g r e a t !
 
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I remember watching a Patriots game on TV when I was in first grade and then being a fan from then on out. My parents got me a notebook for school that had helmets of all of the NFL teams. I memorized all of the teams and circled the Patriots helmet on that notebook. I wish I still had that thing, if nothing else than for the nostalgia. Plus it'd be a trip seeing the "Baltimore Colts" and "L.A. Rams" helmets.

Ohh....almost missed the "Creature Double Feature" reference! I used to absolutely LOOOOVE watching that, even though just about every movie they showed would end up scaring the crap out of me. Actually, come to think of it, I may have been more scared of the intro than of any of the movies...

Creature Double feature deserves it's own thread!

Two low budget black and white crappy horror movies in a row, because one just isn't enough! :eek:
 
When I was 7, I hated Keith Lincoln with a passion.(206 or so rushing yards against the Pats in the '63 title game)

Oh God,

You had to remind me. I lost an entire months paycheck on that game! I was
in the army and that one hurt really bad.... :(
 
Oh God,

You had to remind me. I lost an entire months paycheck on that game! I was
in the army and that one hurt really bad.... :(

Yeah, 51-10. I'll never forgive Lance Alworth either.
The dual crushing blow was the Giants getting beat by the Bears in the NFL
championship that year. Almost everybody was a Giants fan too, as they were the ones on the tube. My only consolation was the Celts, as the Bruins and Sox were awful.
 
I had the pleasure of seeing Lance 'Bambi' Alworth play live against the Pats in Fenway Park. Back then Alworth's extraodinary agility combined with extreme vertical leaping ability and eye hand coordination allowed him to stand out WAY above the DBs attempting to stop him. He was amazing to watch.

Other wideouts like Houston's Hennigan and Groman towered over the Pats' tiny DBs. Watched Blanda use them to pick us apart at Hahvid Stadium. Players walked off the field mingling with the crowd exiting the stadium. Pats players like TE Tony Romeo were not big guys while most opposing teams guys were much larger. It was great being an older kid back then because access to games and training camp (Jim Nance in a rubber suit @ Phillips Andover Academy) was easy and up close and personal. On the downside, very sparce media coverage and (this may be hard to believe) NO INTERNET! Really!
 
I remember when the Pats didn't come on TV I'd race upstairs to turn on the radio in my bedroom to listen to the game. The signal from WBZ Boston into Western Mass wasn't very strong especially on a Sunday afternoon. I felt like the only kid in my town that listened to a Pats game.

great post
 
I was a fan because my grandfather who lived in CT liked them, being in Western NY, I got to see them once a year when they played Buffalo. Neither team was great at the time (1981). I think NE finished 2-14. None of my friends could understand why I liked such a horrid team.

In fact I think we lost to Buffalo that year on Hail Mary pass from Joe Ferguson and I cried (hey I was only 9!)

another great one
 
or when the AFC was generally ridiculed as the 'lesser' league
THAT was the case...and it was really almost laughable the way the AFL was treated...teh NFL was superior in every way....I really do NOT think those who were not football fans at the time of the AFL undesrtand the merger and the importance of Joe Namath to it all.
the Pats?? They had some good early teams..but the AFL?? THAT was the league that was of cast offs and hardly was given a chance in the early years....laughed off by the NFL.
Yes..the lesser league....
It's funny that a FEW rules..were brought into the NFL after the merger...
1----The 2 point conversion...an AFL rule that the NFL just didn't think would make sense..although NOT used much, it's an exciting tool to have...
2----the on teh field clock being the official time...strangely enough for all OLD NFL games..the clock was NOT the official time. THIS of course made it even harder to know what was going on in close games at the end. A player seemingly down and with time left, sometimes had the gun sound afterwords. A VERY dumb rule always...but..teh NFL was like that.
3----Names on the back of jerseys...the NFL liked this as well but many liked the anonymity of numbers...in time and many teams did not make use of that for some time...
 
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i love this thread

the night ended with 5 of us driving to warwick (drunk of course), to welcome home our conquering heros. i can't describe the feeling as grogan and tippett stepped off the plane around 1 am with 1000+ rabid pats fans cheering every step of the way. the police seemed happy to yell "kill" to their trained german shepherds as the crowd surged toward our invincable heros. meanwhile, the players seemed to overcome the shock of such a big receiving party and managed to high 5 every fan in sight

I was at Green Airport too. My Dad and I drove the half-hour down from E. Providence. What a night that was, cheering the players as they got off the plane. We knew we had a special team, and putting down the Dolphins to get to the big game was a huge accomplishment.

Thanks for sharing your memory of the event.
 
I remember my father would go on the roof and point the antenna towards Portland ME so we could watch the game. Portland was outside the black out zone. I grew up in Ipswich so it was possible to get somewhat of a signal. It was filled with static but it did not matter since I was able to watch the game.

Aw man, the dreaded blackout. Seemed like it happened all the time. I used to go to the games with my dad in the 70's and 80's. Anybody remember this stuff about Schaefer/Sullivan....

*No cheerleaders for about two years during the early 80's (I think it was '82-'83). For at least one of those seasons they kept that acrobat squad and trampoline team. Anybody remember the cheerleader's routine to Herbie Han****'s Rock-It? They did it in between quarters in front of each end-zone.

*LA Beer - They started selling it at the concession stands for a while. I guess it was "a third less alcohol than the regular beer" type of a brew. The fans hated it, it just prompted most guys to get even more hammered before the game.

*The Jets games were always brutal - the fights easily tripled. I once saw a fan getting kicked in the head repeatedly in the South end zone section. Rough crowd back then.

*The two most common banners during that time period - "Grogan's Heroes" and "In Rod we TRust" - and of course, Mosi's Mooses. When's the last time they've let a crazed fan in a moose hat run on to the field to lead a cheer? :)

In all those year's and of all those games, I think the best game I saw was the Pats 17-13 comeback win over Miami in 1985. The 56-3 drubbing of the Jets in '79 was a close second.

Great thread guys - keep the stories coming.
 
I've been a fan since 76. But, I do remember watching the Plunkett teams before that. I was more of a college fan then. And, I liked Plunkett's story. Wasn't one or both parents blind? Of course, I followed him into the pros too. But, took a couple of years. Randy Vataha and Sam Bam were some of my early favorites. I wore #73 in high school. Not many people in central Pa. knew who John Hannah was in 70's. Moved to Pa from Ct. But, I always hated the NY teams and followed the Boston teams.

I used to listen to WBZ too on those late Sunday afternoons. Usually, could only get the post-game show out here. With Bob Lobel and Upton Bell. Ken
Beatrice(sp?). One of my best friends father in laws went to Arizona St for a year when M.Haynes was there. Couldn't believe how much I knew about him and how good he was. Can't forget Russ Francis. If Bob Kraft owned that team. They would have won a championship or two.
 
i hope the Patriots will make soon a DVD with the full history of the Boston Patriots-NE Patriots since day 1 and i hope this will happen soon as i would love it

thks for sharing yr beautiful stories-awesome thread
 
I was at a couple of "classic" games:

-A MNF game against the Broncos. There were so many fights in the stands that the city of Foxboro outlawed night games for quite a few years (talk about tough stadiums...that's never happened to the Eagles or Raiders! :eek: )

-A freezing Sunday against Tampa Bay. We actually won in OT. I think up until that game, we had the worst OT record in the league: something like 0 and 17.

-A game against San Diego that was interesting because during halftime, the fans got to vote on a proposed new logo. It was this ridiculous patriot head with a long flying hat. (At that time, no one noticed the resemblence to a certain dead "King" of rock and roll). The fans overwhelmingly voted the new logo down. I remember being a little ticked off that the same logo came out quite a few years later...without any fan vote!!

-One game I wish I could have been at was the famous "Toilet Bowl". I forget the year, but it was the last game of the season against the Baltimore Colts. Both teams had only 1 win and whoever lost the game would get the first round pick. Of course, the Pats won. Back then, we couldn't even LOSE RIGHT!!

IT worked out okay though, because I believe that was the year Elway was available, and he basically told the Colts that if they drafted him, he would play Major League baseball...LOL Stuck it right to em!! :D
 
Aw man, the dreaded blackout. Seemed like it happened all the time. I used to go to the games with my dad in the 70's and 80's. Anybody remember this stuff about Schaefer/Sullivan....

*No cheerleaders for about two years during the early 80's (I think it was '82-'83). For at least one of those seasons they kept that acrobat squad and trampoline team. Anybody remember the cheerleader's routine to Herbie Han****'s Rock-It? They did it in between quarters in front of each end-zone.

*LA Beer - They started selling it at the concession stands for a while. I guess it was "a third less alcohol than the regular beer" type of a brew. The fans hated it, it just prompted most guys to get even more hammered before the game.

*The Jets games were always brutal - the fights easily tripled. I once saw a fan getting kicked in the head repeatedly in the South end zone section. Rough crowd back then.

*The two most common banners during that time period - "Grogan's Heroes" and "In Rod we TRust" - and of course, Mosi's Mooses. When's the last time they've let a crazed fan in a moose hat run on to the field to lead a cheer? :)

In all those year's and of all those games, I think the best game I saw was the Pats 17-13 comeback win over Miami in 1985. The 56-3 drubbing of the Jets in '79 was a close second.

Great thread guys - keep the stories coming.

great job as usual-very interesting post
 
I was at a couple of "classic" games:

-A MNF game against the Broncos. There were so many fights in the stands that the city of Foxboro outlawed night games for quite a few years (talk about tough stadiums...that's never happened to the Eagles or Raiders! :eek: )

-A freezing Sunday against Tampa Bay. We actually won in OT. I think up until that game, we had the worst OT record in the league: something like 0 and 17.

-A game against San Diego that was interesting because during halftime, the fans got to vote on a proposed new logo. It was this ridiculous patriot head with a long flying hat. (At that time, no one noticed the resemblence to a certain dead "King" of rock and roll). The fans overwhelmingly voted the new logo down. I remember being a little ticked off that the same logo came out quite a few years later...without any fan vote!!

-One game I wish I could have been at was the famous "Toilet Bowl". I forget the year, but it was the last game of the season against the Baltimore Colts. Both teams had only 1 win and whoever lost the game would get the first round pick. Of course, the Pats won. Back then, we couldn't even LOSE RIGHT!!

IT worked out okay though, because I believe that was the year Elway was available, and he basically told the Colts that if they drafted him, he would play Major League baseball...LOL Stuck it right to em!! :D

it is the first time i knew there was a 'Toilet Bowl' too
 
THAT was the case...and it was really almost laughable the way the AFL was treated...teh NFL was superior in every way....I really do NOT think those who were not football fans at the time of the AFL undesrtand the merger and the importance of Joe Namath to it all.
the Pats?? They had some good early teams..but the AFL?? THAT was the league that was of cast offs and hardly was given a chance in the early years....laughed off by the NFL.
Yes..the lesser league....
It's funny that a FEW rules..were brought into the NFL after the merger...
1----The 2 point conversion...an AFL rule that the NFL just didn't think would make sense..although NOT used much, it's an exciting tool to have...
2----the on teh field clock being the official time...strangely enough for all OLD NFL games..the clock was NOT the official time. THIS of course made it even harder to know what was going on in close games at the end. A player seemingly down and with time left, sometimes had the gun sound afterwords. A VERY dumb rule always...but..teh NFL was like that.
3----Names on the back of jerseys...the NFL liked this as well but many liked the anonymity of numbers...in time and many teams did not make use of that for some time...

I disagree. the NFL intentionally ridiculed the AFL because they were much better than an average startup league and the NFL was threatened. The allegation that they were cast-offs is NFL propaganda.

According to Wiki:

"In fact, even in its first year, 1960, the AFL signed half of the NFL's first-round draft choices"

The NFL was built on defense and they were superior in that area, but the AFL was arguably better offensively than the NFL, with some great QBs and probably the best receiver in football in Lance Alworth.

Of course head to head competition in the early years before the merger proved the NFL was vastly superior.

Wrong


There were four head to head matchups before the merger. The AFL won two of the four (Jets and Kansas City).

The AFL was so good and so competitive, that the NFL absorbed every single team, (none folded) unprecedented for a spin off league.

For a great article about the AFL go here:

http://www.remembertheafl.com/AFL.htm

And if you know a Boston writer, please tell them they need to nominate Houston Antwine and Jon Morris for the Pats Hall of Fame, it's embarrassing.
 
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