Joe Judge as a potential NFL Head Coach?

Was reading this article and it's funny to see his name pop up on a national level:

The next wave of NFL head coaches: Names and trends to know for 2020

He's obviously been terrific, but it's surprising to see him be mentioned considering we don't often here too many people outside of New England talking about him. Obviously McDaniels' name will likely come up again for interviews in the next few weeks, but it will be interesting to see if Judge potentially also gets an opportunity. I was surprised to see Flores get one so quickly last year, so who knows.

Ian said:

Was reading this article and it's funny to see his name pop up on a national level:

The next wave of NFL head coaches: Names and trends to know for 2020

He's obviously been terrific, but it's surprising to see him be mentioned considering we don't often here too many people outside of New England talking about him. Obviously McDaniels' name will likely come up again for interviews in the next few weeks, but it will be interesting to see if Judge potentially also gets an opportunity. I was surprised to see Flores get one so quickly last year, so who knows.

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At this point we should just call ourselves the New England Belichicks.

I would think if the Giants job comes available that’s a much more sought after job then working for Jerry Jones

I still think the Chargers to get Brady unceremoniously fire Lynn and offer McDaniels the world because the know this brings Brady as well only way to sell out that stadium.
Would not be mad at either of them to do that.

ChrisR2223 said:

I would think if the Giants job comes available that’s a much more sought after job then working for Jerry Jones

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At 3-9 the Skins still aren't out of it in the NFCE. If somehow they were to actually pull it off we might actually see an entire division making head coach changes in the same season. Yet even then the fans of those teams would continue to tell us the AFCE is the worst division in the history of history

ChrisR2223 said:

I still think the Chargers to get Brady unceremoniously fire Lynn and offer McDaniels the world because the know this brings Brady as well only way to sell out that stadium.
Would not be mad at either of them to do that.

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I don't know - I read a quote from McGinest yesterday with an "inside" tidbit saying that Gisele actually really dislikes California, so I don't know how true the scenario ending up in California would be. I think if San Francisco was an option, that would be a different story for obvious reasons. But otherwise, it's tough to say.

Truthfully, I don't know of a scenario that really makes sense given the effect a move like that would have on his kids, which will obviously be the priority. I guess that's why I sort of think that if the Patriots manage to somehow win it all, retirement seems a more likely scenario. If not, then it's up to Brady to decide what he wants to do and I really don't have an idea of a scenario that makes sense at this point...at least in terms of uprooting their family for 2-3 years.

ChrisR2223 said:

I would think if the Giants job comes available that’s a much more sought after job then working for Jerry Jones

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The talent is way more in Dallas...

Ian said:

I don't know - I read a quote from McGinest yesterday with an "inside" tidbit saying that Gisele actually really dislikes California, so I don't know how true the scenario ending up in California would be. I think if San Francisco was an option, that would be a different story for obvious reasons. But otherwise, it's tough to say.

Truthfully, I don't know of a scenario that really makes sense given the effect a move like that would have on his kids, which will obviously be the priority. I guess that's why I sort of think that if the Patriots manage to somehow win it all, retirement seems a more likely scenario. If not, then it's up to Brady to decide what he wants to do and I really don't have an idea of a scenario that makes sense at this point...at least in terms of uprooting their family for 2-3 years.

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I think there is a 2 year window to win another title with Brady. If they lose this year, I think they bring Brady back but keep his replacement on the bench whether that's Stidham or someone else. If they win, I think he'll reluctantly call it quits.

TommyBrady12 said:

The talent is way more in Dallas...

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I think even given Jones' history of being irritating, I definitely feel like Josh could get more out of that roster. I do think he's going to break the bank to get him given how desperate/frustrated he sounds these days and he knows they're underachieving, so it will be interesting.

TommyBrady12 said:

The talent is way more in Dallas...

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That doesn’t count for anything if you don’t actually have control over your team and have to constantly deal with a meddling owner and his idiot son.

Ian said:

I don't know - I read a quote from McGinest yesterday with an "inside" tidbit saying that Gisele actually really dislikes California, so I don't know how true the scenario ending up in California would be. I think if San Francisco was an option, that would be a different story for obvious reasons. But otherwise, it's tough to say.

Truthfully, I don't know of a scenario that really makes sense given the effect a move like that would have on his kids, which will obviously be the priority. I guess that's why I sort of think that if the Patriots manage to somehow win it all, retirement seems a more likely scenario. If not, then it's up to Brady to decide what he wants to do and I really don't have an idea of a scenario that makes sense at this point...at least in terms of uprooting their family for 2-3 years.

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Especially at age 43, Brady will not be "plug-and-play" with a new team without McDaniels. I just can't see him willing to learn a new system elsewhere and adapt to personnel -- players and coaches -- not tailor made to fit him.

Ian said:

I think even given Jones' history of being irritating, I definitely feel like Josh could get more out of that roster. I do think he's going to break the bank to get him given how desperate/frustrated he sounds these days and he knows they're underachieving, so it will be interesting.

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Everyone has their price but I think the fly in that ointment would be Jerruh and the front office in Dallas. McDaniels is no doubt mindful his next HC gig could be his last if he doesn't stick the landing. Could a big enough money truck backed up to the door overcome the trepidation anyone with half a brain would feel about working for Jones & Son? Maybe, maybe not. He did walk away from the Indy gig...

KontradictioN said:

That doesn’t count for anything if you don’t actually have control over your team and have to constantly deal with a meddling owner and his idiot son.

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I don't think the Giants gig with be too much different with respect to roster control. In both cases, the GM (Jones or Gettleman) would choose the players. If you can deal with Jones, I'd take the Cowboys job given the talent but that's just me. Neither scenarios are ideal.

Ian said:

I don't know - I read a quote from McGinest yesterday with an "inside" tidbit saying that Gisele actually really dislikes California, so I don't know how true the scenario ending up in California would be. I think if San Francisco was an option, that would be a different story for obvious reasons. But otherwise, it's tough to say.

Truthfully, I don't know of a scenario that really makes sense given the effect a move like that would have on his kids, which will obviously be the priority. I guess that's why I sort of think that if the Patriots manage to somehow win it all, retirement seems a more likely scenario. If not, then it's up to Brady to decide what he wants to do and I really don't have an idea of a scenario that makes sense at this point...at least in terms of uprooting their family for 2-3 years.

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Tennessee.
They've underachieved, plenty of talent, NEP connections & ready to win now.

Some might not see it right away but Nashville, Tennessee isn't some small hick town. Plenty of big shots live, travel & do business there.

It's not like they're planning on staying 10+ years.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Tennessee.
They've underachieved, plenty of talent, NEP connections & ready to win now.

Some might not see it right away but Nashville, Tennessee isn't some small hick town. Plenty of big shots live, travel & do business there.

It's not like they're planning on staying 10+ years.

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I know, and I understand the thought process with that scenario but that's why I wonder if they'd be willing to move their kids there for only a few years since it doesn't seem long a long-term place for them.

Tunescribe said:

Especially at age 43, Brady will not be "plug-and-play" with a new team without McDaniels. I just can't see him willing to learn a new system elsewhere and adapt to personnel -- players and coaches -- not tailor made to fit him.

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Exactly. All of those types of scenarios where a star QB leaves and goes to another team and starts working with a new coach always starts out with the best intentions. But when the bullets begin to fly and disagreements in philosophies come up, it seems like it never goes quite the way anyone hoped. At his age, I don't see why Brady would want that.

Truthfully, the Manning scenario in Denver was rare and he really, really got lucky with that defense (and he didn't even play a full season that year) because if you go back through and look at all the past older star QBs who finished their careers elsewhere, I can't think of too many of them where it ended with them closing out their careers on a high note.

TommyBrady12 said:

I don't think the Giants gig with be too much different with respect to roster control. In both cases, the GM (Jones or Gettleman) would choose the players. If you can deal with Jones, I'd take the Cowboys job given the talent but that's just me. Neither scenarios are ideal.

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The Giants still let their guys coach the team. A BFOQ for being the Cowboys’ coach is to be a yes man for Jerry. Why else do you think Garrett has stuck around for so long in spite of the fact that he stinks on ice? And the Cowboys may not have more talent than the Giants much longer. Put simply - there is a reason why the Giants have been in the big game three more times than Dallas since the 90s and have won two more. That reason starts at the top.

Ian said:

I know, and I understand the thought process with that scenario but that's why I wonder if they'd be willing to move their kids there for only a few years since it doesn't seem long a long-term place for them.

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Certainly. Trying to think of landing spots & can't think of many better ones that are/would be available?

It's an enormous change though. Kids, coaches, players, system etc.

He'd be the biggest FA in the history of the sport as well so I imagine teams would be bending over backwards to make it work.

Imagine what a team like Chicago, who hasn't had a good QB in 30 years would do for Brady?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Certainly. Trying to think of landing spots & can't think of many better ones that are/would be available?

It's an enormous change though. Kids, coaches, players, system etc.

He'd be the biggest FA in the history of the sport as well so I imagine teams would be bending over backwards to make it work.

Imagine what a team like Chicago, who hasn't had a good QB in 30 years would do for Brady?

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I agree and like you said, I can't see moving there for 3-4 years as being a desirable option for them family-wise. I know the talk will continue, but I'm really having a tough time imagining a scenario that makes sense...unless he were to go to the Giants because New York is at least a place they enjoy as a family. But man...that would be tough because I can't see him wanting to go to a team that needs help on both sides of the ball.

I just don't know...the more I think about it, the less likely it feels like he'd want to keep playing if he played outside New England. But the other half of me can't imagine him retiring after a playoff exit either if they come up short this year, especially if he still has gas in the tank...it will be interesting. Hopefully they'll win in February and it will make this a moot conversation although, granted, it sets up an entirely new one if he walks away

Getting back to Joe, one thing that's interesting is the fact that given all the coaches who have left over the years, it's clear that Belichick is obviously the X-factor here because nothing has changed, the consistency has continued, etc. It really puts the emphasis on what a complete coach he is from top to bottom. It's pretty incredible.

Joe does have a ton of respect from the players who all consider him a terrific coach and he's definitely a great leader. The question would be whether or not he could build the same type of staff and support elsewhere. So far, that's been a challenge for everyone else who coached under Belichick and has left. They just haven't been able to do it, although Bill O'Brien, so far, has seemingly had the most success and he's done it by surrounding himself with other ex-Belichick guys.

But other than that, the more they leave and struggle to win as coaches, the more of a reminder it is of how great Belichick really is.