Are the Patriots really this Terrible

TheRainMaker said:

Speaking of Chad Jackson and the ‘06 draft, Here’s some interesting tidbits:

Greg Jennings admitted on the Colin Cowherd show he was furious the Pats drafted Jackson over him.

D’Angelo Williams has admitted many times he hates the Pats for taking Maroney over him. Williams thought the Pats were drafting him.

Talk about two brutal misses. What could’ve been.

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We also drafted Aaron Dobson over Keenan Allen. I nearly threw my Tv out the window

Pats have been garbage at drafting recently

Clonamery said:

Anyone? Or...”everyone?”

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Somebody!!! Anybody!!! Please!!!

NG Pats Fan said:

We also drafted Aaron Dobson over Keenan Allen. I nearly threw my Tv out the window

Pats have been garbage at drafting recently

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I was pretty pissed too.

TheRainMaker said:

Brown was a 6th round pick. The list was for the first four rounds.

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Ahh I figured I was missing something.

NG Pats Fan said:

Yeah let’s give a sample size and leave out the fact Steelers drafted AB in the 6th round

Steelers have drafted plenty of very good WRs

Antonio Brown
Plaxico Burress
Santonio Holmes
Juju Smith Schuster
Mike Wallace
Emanuel Sanders
James Washington looks like the next stud

That list above blows away what the patriots have done

Nkeal was a jump ball WR in college who never could get separation there. A horrible pick when deebo Samuel was sitting there whose known as an excellent route runner in college with elite separation ability

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Idk why they’re putting him on the slot though. Line him up on the outside. Let’s not write his obituary yet.

I have a theory that BB looks for rookies that he feels WILL CERTAINLY understand the playbook, which might not correlate necessarily with the most gifted, prolific players out there in college...


I don't know, outside of Mitchell, I've never seen a drafted player pan-out... And while it's true that there isn't enough sampled games to judge Harry, man I am disappointed from what I've seen...

JayNM said:

I have a theory that BB looks for rookies that he feels WILL CERTAINLY understand the playbook, which might not correlate necessarily with the most gifted, prolific players out there in college...


I don't know, outside of Mitchell, I've never seen a drafted player pan-out... And while it's true that there isn't enough sampled games to judge Harry, man I am disappointed from what I've seen...

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He drafts “projects”. Which is the wrong way to go since either Brady has zero patience or we stink at coaching up our WRs.

Dobson and Harry were NOT the most NFL ready WRs, nor were they even close to the most productive in college.

In my opinion we need to start drafting the most seasoned, most productive college WRs who have flashed elite acceleration ability. in other words, receivers who can create separation and beat man coverage. Brady has zero patience with developing anyone, so get him proven commodity’s.

Deebo Samuel >>> elite route running, acceleration, and college production was the way to go .

Harry was a big strong jump ball WR in college. Perfect for a Joe Flacco. Harry got some YAC cause he could bully smaller DBs after the catch, but NFL corners are much stronger...and Harry is incapable of creating separation. A horrible fit for Brady


You can tell by Brady’s body language he does not think much of Harry

I have been on draft network for weeks trying to see how many potential good wr's we can miss and then end up with one of the slowest for the 2020 draft

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How many WR draft picks pan out around the league? How many of those come from later rounds? If only one out of every ten WRs drafted in the third round ever put up more than 500 receiving yards in a season, then the Pats drafting record is right on with the rest of league.

Everyone always talks about the Steelers success with drafting WRs. They're the only team anyone ever points to for that success. So by that logic, this thread could be posted on 30 other teams forums, "why can't we be more like the Steelers?" And they've only had a few WRs who are *really* good along with a lot of misses, so I'm not even sure what their exact success rate is and how much of it is real vs statistical noise.

Now in my opinion, we've done a fantastic job drafting and developing offensive linemen the past two decades, my guess is we are much better than most other teams. A lot of that is Scar but you gotta identify the talent too. Personally if you could give me the choice of being good at WR development vs OL, I'd go OL every time.

N'Keal Harry is trending to Donald Hayes part deux...anyone remember Donald Hayes? He was the "big physical receiver" Brady needed to "really" open up the offense. He fit into the offense so well that Brady threw to him exactly NINE times over the last 7 games of the season...and he had ONE catch...

FCB02062 said:

N'Keal Harry is trending to Donald Hayes part deux...anyone remember Donald Hayes? He was the "big physical receiver" Brady needed to "really" open up the offense. He fit into the offense so well that Brady threw to him exactly NINE times over the last 7 games of the season...and he had ONE catch...

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TB_Helmet said:

Thread needs more data.

How many WR draft picks pan out around the league? How many of those come from later rounds? If only one out of every ten WRs drafted in the third round ever put up more than 500 receiving yards in a season, then the Pats drafting record is right on with the rest of league.

Everyone always talks about the Steelers success with drafting WRs. They're the only team anyone ever points to for that success. So by that logic, this thread could be posted on 30 other teams forums, "why can't we be more like the Steelers?" And they've only had a few WRs who are *really* good along with a lot of misses, so I'm not even sure what their exact success rate is and how much of it is real vs statistical noise.

Now in my opinion, we've done a fantastic job drafting and developing offensive linemen the past two decades, my guess is we are much better than most other teams. A lot of that is Scar but you gotta identify the talent too. Personally if you could give me the choice of being good at WR development vs OL, I'd go OL every time.

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People use the Steelers because they’re one of the only teams who has had the same GM for roughly the same timespan we’ve had Bill drafting.

203Pat said:

People use the Steelers because they’re one of the only teams who has had the same GM for roughly the same timespan we’ve had Bill drafting.

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I actually went to ProFootballReference to see if I could get the average receiving yards by WR draft round (or similar).

That site is great but there were 100s of rows over multiple pages and they only let you export one page at a time, so I gave up.

I think I could web scrape it though, could be a good holiday project.

203Pat said:

People use the Steelers because they’re one of the only teams who has had the same GM for roughly the same timespan we’ve had Bill drafting.

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This.

I used them also because it seems alot of the amazing receivers they've drafted, the Patriots had the chance to do so as well. How is it that the Steelers draft so much better than us at this position? Its mind boggling.

Kid~Brady said:

I used them also because it seems alot of the amazing receivers they've drafted, the Patriots had the chance to do so as well. How is it that the Steelers draft so much better than us at this position? Its mind boggling.

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It is only mind boggling because it is a myth and not true. They fail at WR as much as most other teams. But keep trolling.

the patriots are so good that when they lose 2 games on the road to very good teams everyone thinks they stink lol. the offense has been bad lately, but we have 1 more road game (vs cincy) in regular season. If we go 3-1 and finish 13-3 we get the 2 seed. if we go 4-0 we probably get the 1 seed. i think we are in good shape. need the offense to be better though, no doubt.

luuked said:

It is only mind boggling because it is a myth and not true. They fail at WR as much as most other teams. But keep trolling.

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I don't care about "other teams"... they draft better than the patriots, thats what the thread refers to and thats a fact so you stop trolling. Most people who has responded agrees with this premise so not sure what you're seeing.

Kid~Brady said:

I don't care about "other teams"... they draft better than the patriots, thats what the thread refers to and thats a fact so you stop trolling. Most people who has responded agrees with this premise so not sure what you're seeing.

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I don't care what most people that don't look beyond the surface are saying.

The reality is that the Steelers take almost double the shots at WR in the first 4 rounds compared to the Pats, so obviously they will end up with more hits. That is not some amazing insight they have but just playing the odds.

That goes back to Bill Walsh and the trade downs with his 49ers:

“If everyone in the NFL is missing on nearly half their draft picks, the only way to increase your odds is to make more picks, especially in the second to fourth rounds, where you generally find the best values (cost versus talent).”

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The only difference is that the Steelers seem to prioritize the WR position more than the Patriots. Maybe the question you actually wanted to ask is why other teams are drafting WRs more frequently than the Patriots.

So this is less sophisticated than I'd like but here you go:
Patriots WR draft picks since 2000:


Steelers WR draft picks


Up to you how you want to evaluate success. I'd say the Pats hit on 4 WRs (Edelman, Givens, Branch, Slater) out of 15. I wouldn't argue against Mitchell either even though it was for one season (one game) only. ETA feel free to quibble with Slater too for obvious reasons.

I say the Steelers hit on 7 WRs out of 21, the first 7 on that list. Two of them are first round draft picks.

Both of those are about 1/3 success rate. You could argue that the guys the Steelers hit on were better than the Pats but this is more of a 'hit vs miss' question in my mind.

The problem with the Pats is they had three second round picks that didn't pan out. You'll note the Steelers had a couple 2s and 3s that were also whiffs.

The moral of the story is, the Steelers might have more good WRs because they draft more. Also this is a very small sample size where one extra hit will have an outsize effect on the perception of the success rate for either team.

FCB02062 said:

N'Keal Harry is trending to Donald Hayes part deux...anyone remember Donald Hayes? He was the "big physical receiver" Brady needed to "really" open up the offense. He fit into the offense so well that Brady threw to him exactly NINE times over the last 7 games of the season...and he had ONE catch...

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Oh I remember him. He was hyped for having a few good games in Carolina and then signed with the Pats. Boston media hyped him up. He was a disaster.