Losing to teams twice in a season

sb1 · Nov 25, 2019

Even though the Pats have a reputation for not losing twice to a team in a season this has happened in the BB/Brady era quite a few times.

They should get more credit for the fact that in this era they are something like 5-0 in a rematch later in the season or playoffs vs teams that beat them decisively in the first game.

Soon to be 6-0 after beating the Ravens in January.

Patstastic · Nov 25, 2019

05: Denver
06: Indy
10: Jets (Though we won the second game by a blowout before playoffs)
11: Giants
12: Ravens
15: Broncos

Six times they've lost twice in a season to the same opponent. Under BB. But that's not necessarily a knock on the team. Each loss had its own set of circumstances. They've also beaten teams twice in a season many times.

BB is best at adjusting on the fly. And he takes notes after the first game. A Ravens rematch favors us more than them imo.

OT here. I honestly thought the lasting memory of the BB led Pats was going to be losing SB 52. Benching the # 2 CB. Letting Brady and the organization down. But from the Pittsburgh game in 2018 through now, BB has simply been nothing short of brilliant. The 1st half in KC, followed by SB 53, was BB's finest coaching moment imo (Too young to remember SB 36. Wasn't alive when SB 25 occured). That team doesn't win a SB with any other coach. At least that's my opinion. And there's no way we are 10-1 with anybody else coaching in 2019. Again that's my opinion. And I should point out BB would still be a coaching legend even if they didn't win it all last year. It's just that the Butler thing would be lingering more.

brdmaverick · Nov 25, 2019

sb1 said:
Even though the Pats have a reputation for not losing twice to a team in a season this has happened in the BB/Brady era quite a few times.

They should get more credit for the fact that in this era they are something like 5-0 in a rematch later in the season or playoffs vs teams that beat them decisively in the first game.

Soon to be 6-0 after beating the Ravens in January.

right, that was a pre-2010 myth that the pats don’t lose to a team twice (even though it had happened even prior to 2010).

it’s happened a few more times since then so honestly I don’t think anyone considers it a ‘a thing’ anymore

SHOWTIME15 · Nov 25, 2019

In the AFC playoffs, Buffalo worries me a little, especially if we beat them at home in a few weeks. It would to be tough to beat them 3X in one season, especially since their D is now elite. I'd rather avoid them in the playoffs if possible.

Double TE · Nov 25, 2019

Ravens are a better team now. We'll see how they are in January. Pats O still needs some tune ups. They would have scored on their last drive so they would have had 20. Probably need closer to 27 to beat Baltimore so they should get there once Sanu is back and Harry is more comfortable with the O. I would use Meyers like they used Amendola and have him run crossers with Edeleman.

Froob · Nov 25, 2019

brdmaverick said:
right, that was a pre-2010 myth that the pats don’t lose to a team twice (even though it had happened even prior to 2010).

it’s happened a few more times since then so honestly I don’t think anyone considers it a ‘a thing’ anymore

I think most of the losses have been a team they already lost to.

NG Pats Fan · Nov 25, 2019

Patriots offense is nowhere ready for the playoffs

Ice_Ice_Brady · Nov 25, 2019

Patstastic said:
05: Denver
06: Indy
10: Jets (Though we won the second game by a blowout before playoffs)
11: Giants
12: Ravens
15: Broncos

Six times they've lost twice in a season to the same opponent. Under BB. But that's not necessarily a knock on the team. Each loss had its own set of circumstances. They've also beaten teams twice in a season many times.

BB is best at adjusting on the fly. And he takes notes after the first game. A Ravens rematch favors us more than them imo.

OT here. I honestly thought the lasting memory of the BB led Pats was going to be losing SB 52. Benching the # 2 CB. Letting Brady and the organization down. But from the Pittsburgh game in 2018 through now, BB has simply been nothing short of brilliant. The 1st half in KC, followed by SB 53, was BB's finest coaching moment imo (Too young to remember SB 36. Wasn't alive when SB 25 occured). That team doesn't win a SB with any other coach. At least that's my opinion. And there's no way we are 10-1 with anybody else coaching in 2019. Again that's my opinion. And I should point out BB would still be a coaching legend even if they didn't win it all last year. It's just that the Butler thing would be lingering more.

This is a good post and very accurate. It is very interesting that in almost all of these matchups (except Indy) the second meeting was lower scoring than the first meeting, or the Patriots offense was unable to match their regular season point total in the rematch. Though I will also say this list of games largely consists of elite defenses that went on to win the Super Bowl.

RelocatedPatFan · Nov 25, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
Patriots offense is nowhere ready for the playoffs

No worries, 6 games to get ready for the AFCCG

NG Pats Fan · Nov 25, 2019

RelocatedPatFan said:
No worries, 6 games to get ready for the AFCCG

I’m petrified of Baltimore. They are built to beat us. Brady is going to have to put on one of his ATG performances and at age 42, I hope he still has 1 or two left in him

Clonamery · Nov 25, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
I’m petrified of Baltimore. They are built to beat us. Brady is going to have to put on one of his ATG performances and at age 42, I hope he still has 1 or two left in him

I’m pretty sure that Tom Brady is not having to change his underwear (like yourself) with the prospect of facing the Ravens again.

NG Pats Fan · Nov 25, 2019

Clonamery said:
I’m pretty sure that Tom Brady is not having to change his underwear (like yourself) with the prospect of facing the Ravens again.

Hopefully KC takes care of Baltimore (they can beat Baltimore in a shoot out) because I know we won’t lose to KC in playoffs...cheeseburger Andy will blow it with terrible coaching

Bills are a joke squad. Allen can’t throw the ball

I do not like facing Baltimore because they have a very good defense, great running game, maybe the 2nd best head coach in the nfl, an electric playmaking dual threat MVP QB who is vastly underrated throwing the ball by pats homers.

Clonamery · Nov 25, 2019

NG Pats Fan said:
Hopefully KC takes care of Baltimore (they can beat Baltimore in a shoot out) because I know we won’t lose to KC in playoffs...cheeseburger Andy will blow it with terrible coaching

Bills are a joke squad. Allen can’t throw the ball

I do not like facing Baltimore because they have a very good defense, great running game, maybe the 2nd best head coach in the nfl, an electric playmaking dual threat MVP QB who is vastly underrated throwing the ball by pats homers.

Bills defense is good. Their QB is out of control at times.

Ravens won’t have a bye when they face us again. They’re not unbeatable and neither are the Pats. I like our team’s chances especially with home field advantage.

NG Pats Fan · Nov 25, 2019

Clonamery said:
Bills defense is good. Their QB is out of control at times.

Ravens won’t have a bye when they face us again. They’re not unbeatable and neither are the Pats. I like our team’s chances especially with home field advantage.

I’m definitely not sold on Allen...

Good point about the bye

I believe this pats D can shut down any pocket passing QB even with a bit of mobility, aka Mahomes....

But Lamar brings an element that is very hard to stop, and he can throw. And he has underrated weapons who can get open, break tackles.

Addictive · Nov 25, 2019

Patstastic said:
06: Indy
11: Giants
12: Ravens
15: Broncos

Lost twice to these teams who went on to win the Super Bowl that year. Not much shame in losing to the eventual winners.

The 06 Indy loss is the one because we'd have beaten the Bears easily in the Super Bowl that year.

Oswlek · Nov 25, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
In the AFC playoffs, Buffalo worries me a little, especially if we beat them at home in a few weeks. It would to be tough to beat them 3X in one season, especially since their D is now elite. I'd rather avoid them in the playoffs if possible.

The "tough to beat a team 3x" thing is a myth. It's tough to beat any playoff team, the fact that you beat them 2x earlier has no bearing on the outcome.

SHOWTIME15 · Nov 25, 2019

Oswlek said:
The "tough to beat a team 3x" thing is a myth. It's tough to beat any playoff team, the fact that you beat them 2x earlier has no bearing on the outcome.

the ONLY time you'll ever see teams play 3 times in a season is if they are divisional opponents, and divisional games are never easy. The odds are if you play a Divisional rival 3 times you are going to lose at least once..

Oswlek · Nov 25, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
the ONLY time you'll ever see teams play 3 times in a season is if they are divisional opponents, and divisional games are never easy. The odds are if you play a Divisional rival 3 times you are going to lose at least once..

Even the divisionsal game thing is something of a myth. I saw an analysis done not long ago that showed winning percentage and margin of victory is largely unaffected by whether the opponent is a division member.

The reason I focused on playoff teams is because that's the real discrepancy. Facing a team twice is common, three times is not. But once the playoffs roll around they're all tough outs, division or no.

wheresmosi · Nov 25, 2019

Double TE said:
Ravens are a better team now. We'll see how they are in January. Pats O still needs some tune ups. They would have scored on their last drive so they would have had 20. Probably need closer to 27 to beat Baltimore so they should get there once Sanu is back and Harry is more comfortable with the O. I would use Meyers like they used Amendola and have him run crossers with Edeleman.

I have a hunch that the Ravens peaked a bit early. I feel like they will lose at least one more, and it could possibly be tonight to the Rams. Even in our first game with them, if you take away the offsides that set up a TD on the opening drive instead of just a FG, and the pick 6 off the Brady pass to Edelman (or catch and fumble), and maybe to be even the one fumble we got to set up a TD, this game looks different--we likley still lose, but much lower scoring. And, if the pick 6 doesn't happen, we likely get at least 3 there (though we do go right back and score a TD on the next drive). Also, we were inches away from a TD on the final FG before the end of the first half. If 3 or 4 things go differently in that game, we might still lose, but it would look very different.

fightingirish595 · Nov 25, 2019

TommyBrady12 said:
the ONLY time you'll ever see teams play 3 times in a season is if they are divisional opponents, and divisional games are never easy. The odds are if you play a Divisional rival 3 times you are going to lose at least once..

Actually the record for the team that’s 2-0 is pretty good in the 3rd matchup

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