Pats @ Eagles all-22 rewatch thread

Quick Q's:

What problems did the Eagles D pose over the Ravens D? While scores were similar, I felt like we moved down the field with more ease at times against the Ravens. Do the Eagles run a different scheme, better suited to our offense? Or is it pretty much just better personnel?

And at what time does the Patriots offense dial up the no-huddle? Do you have to wait for a playcall that throws off the defense, and basically go "okay, we got favorable match ups and theyre confused. Let's keep them off balance."? Or do you go into a drive knowing you're gonna run no huddle?

Thanks to whoever offers insight!

primetime said:

The defensive line was greatly aided by Lane Johnson leaving the game with an injury. I know Patriots fans hate the guy, but he's among the very best linemen in football and his absence made a huge difference for the remainder of the game. Dillard, who replaced him, wasn't ready.

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Injuries impact every NFL team this time of year. Never the less there is some irony in this particular one.

Vindicate said:

Quick Q's:

What problems did the Eagles D pose over the Ravens D? While scores were similar, I felt like we moved down the field with more ease at times against the Ravens. Do the Eagles run a different scheme, better suited to our offense? Or is it pretty much just better personnel?

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I think personnel has a lot to do with it, which then leads to scheme differences. The Ravens have basically one true pass rusher in Judon, and a lot of the pass rush production from their other guys is from blitzes. The Eagles have Graham, Barnett, and Cox to attack both edges and the middle all without having to do anything too fancy.

I don’t know if the season-to-date numbers are available anywhere, but last year the Ravens led the NFL in blitz percentage (5+ rushers) while the Eagles were 30th.
Pressure by Number of Pass Rushers, 2018

Vindicate said:

Quick Q's:

What problems did the Eagles D pose over the Ravens D? While scores were similar, I felt like we moved down the field with more ease at times against the Ravens. Do the Eagles run a different scheme, better suited to our offense? Or is it pretty much just better personnel?

And at what time does the Patriots offense dial up the no-huddle? Do you have to wait for a playcall that throws off the defense, and basically go "okay, we got favorable match ups and theyre confused. Let's keep them off balance."? Or do you go into a drive knowing you're gonna run no huddle?

Thanks to whoever offers insight!

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Eagles have one of the best D lines in the league. Fletcher Cox is a one man wrecking crew...our offensive line was simply overmatched at times

Sciz said:

I think personnel has a lot to do with it, which then leads to scheme differences. The Ravens have basically one true pass rusher in Judon, and a lot of the pass rush production from their other guys is from blitzes. The Eagles have Graham, Barnett, and Cox to attack both edges and the middle all without having to do anything too fancy.

I don’t know if the season-to-date numbers are available anywhere, but last year the Ravens led the NFL in blitz percentage (5+ rushers) while the Eagles were 30th.
Pressure by Number of Pass Rushers, 2018

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TommyBrady12 said:

Eagles have one of the best D lines in the league. Fletcher Cox is a one man wrecking crew...our offensive line was simply overmatched at times

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Thanks for the feedback.

Vindicate said:

Quick Q's:

What problems did the Eagles D pose over the Ravens D? While scores were similar, I felt like we moved down the field with more ease at times against the Ravens. Do the Eagles run a different scheme, better suited to our offense? Or is it pretty much just better personnel?

And at what time does the Patriots offense dial up the no-huddle? Do you have to wait for a playcall that throws off the defense, and basically go "okay, we got favorable match ups and theyre confused. Let's keep them off balance."? Or do you go into a drive knowing you're gonna run no huddle?

Thanks to whoever offers insight!

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1) The Eagles DL is still one of the best in the league- their record doesn't show it, but they still cause a lot of disruption. The biggest problem for Brady was twofold- the wind, and not having the luxury of waiting for routes to unfold. If his pocket wasn't collapsing, it was at least always moving. That being said, Brady only got sacked once. Eagles previous two games totaled 7 sacks.

2) Theoretically they can do it anytime, but I think we like to keep that card close to our chest and not over-use it, to give away tendencies or more scouting materials. That being said, our ability to go no-huddle got a big hit when Dorsett went out. He along with Edelman and Sanu are the only three that can play all three receiver positions which is something you want when you are going no huddle and don't want to have alignment limitations. You just want to find your mismatches immediately and snap the ball.

We usually go no huddle when we have the ball within the two minute warning.

For what he usually does Chatham pretty much rips Brady apart in his post mortem of the Eagles game. His lede is literally "this has been a very bad game by the QB". And he makes a point that his opinion is already adjusted for the OL play.

Some pretty good deconstruction of how skittish and inaccurate Brady has been on short throws and especially screens but also not reading defenses right presnap and then being surprised by rushers in the backfield or not switching out of a bad play.

His example of Brady not switching up the play is especially irritating as apparently they ran a play to a side where even presnap they didn't have the numbers (3 vs. 4).

Another good listen. Wish that the Athletic would just give him an intern to make cut-ups and turn this into a video podcast like he had late in 2015 on Youtube. Given his unique perspective to have been part of successful BB teams he truly is among the best analysts.

It is about an hour but definitely worth the time.

Matt Chatham broke down the game on his Athletic podcast. He lays blame at Brady’s feet for the poor offensive performance. He said Brady played poorly and by his count, had double digit bad plays on Sunday. But it’s not just Brady.. there are other problems too.

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Thanks for the feedback.

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Also, Jim Schwartz knows Belichick, and his defenses tend to play well against us - even if it's not shutting NE down on the scoreboard, it can cause disruption. I'm sure Schwartz had some special plays drawn up to show he can outcoach him.

TommyBrady12 said:

Also, Jim Schwartz knows Belichick, and his defenses tend to play well against us - even if it's not shutting NE down on the scoreboard, it can cause disruption. I'm sure Schwartz had some special plays drawn up to show he can outcoach him.

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Did not consider this at all! Good point.

Great pickup by Mason of course but what I want to point out here is to keep an eye on Sanu. He doesn't really seem to have any idea about the play except that it will be a run. He stops and doesn't even run a pattern or blocks but stands around confused.

That is the reality of how long it can take to be up to speed and why Dorsett was essential to keep running the no huddle. Yes you can maybe have one WR in there who you can limit to concepts he has shown to understand but once you have two players (Sanu and Harry) who don't have enough experience it becomes a bit more problematic because it just limits your calls substantially.

luuked said:

"this has been a very bad game by the QB"

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Brady got hit pretty hard a couple of times. Wonder if he was hurting in some way.

via Lazar's feed.

This ladies and gentlemen is the gold standard of how you do film review.

None of the amateurish filming of screens with your cell phone, no terminology heavy gatekeeping of concepts but actually explaining whats going on using the medium of film and visual aids, bringing in successful examples from past games and nailing the narrative in an accessible way.

Wish there was more of that and less of the useless other stuff.

luuked said:

Great pickup by Mason of course but what I want to point out here is to keep an eye on Sanu. He doesn't really seem to have any idea about the play except that it will be a run. He stops and doesn't even run a pattern or blocks but stands around confused.

That is the reality of how long it can take to be up to speed and why Dorsett was essential to keep running the no huddle. Yes you can maybe have one WR in there who you can limit to concepts he has shown to understand but once you have two players (Sanu and Harry) who don't have enough experience it becomes a bit more problematic because it just limits your calls substantially.

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Sorry but you're reading way too much into Sanu here in terms of picking up our offense. This isn't the play for that. Maybe you saw others you'd like to share but that play doesn't suggest he's behind in our offense.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Sorry but you're reading way too much into Sanu here in terms of picking up our offense. This isn't the play for that. Maybe you saw others you'd like to share but that play doesn't suggest he's behind in our offense.

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I am not saying he is substantially behind in the offense in general. He is farther along than most would be 2 weeks in.

I am saying he clearly didn't practice that 2 pt play a lot and didn't quite understand what his role was. Unless you think it is fine that he jogs into the end zone and not even attempts to disrupt the DB from running towards White.

Here it makes no difference but if Mason doesn't pick it up as perfectly and this becomes a "pushing war" right in front of the end zone then a DB flying in from the side might be the difference.

luuked said:

via Lazar's feed.

This ladies and gentlemen is the gold standard of how you do film review.

None of the amateurish filming of screens with your cell phone, no terminology heavy gatekeeping of concepts but actually explaining whats going on using the medium of film and visual aids, bringing in successful examples from past games and nailing the narrative in an accessible way.

Wish there was more of that and less of the useless other stuff.

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I just love how it's a young kid breaking this down so knowledgeably. Evan Lazar, Spagnoli and the others are barely out of their teens yet they know more and would blow the old farts like Shanknancy and Bob Cryin' out of the water and downright embarass frauds like the MCI.

Too bad those old farts are retained by the old guard who is just so out of touch with how far fans today have evolved with social media.

PP2 said:

I just love how it's a young kid breaking this down so knowledgeably. Evan Lazar, Spagnoli and the others are barely out of their teens yet they know more and would blow the old farts like Shanknancy and Bob Cryin' out of the water and downright embarass frauds like the MCI.

Too bad those old farts are retained by the old guard who is just so out of touch with how far fans today have evolved with social media.

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I love how he not only describes what the video shows but explains why the Eagles make that call. Hell he even goes through the effort of putting in a previous example.

The missing "WHY" part is often an indicator to me that the user might be able to explain what they see in correct terminology but really they don't understand it.

Knowledgable and not lazy is all you need to be nowadays to put your foot into the door.