Mohamed Sanu

venecol said:

To think that almost 2 months ago we had the potential to dress JE11, Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, and Antonio Brown at WR, but chose to keep Izzo, LaCosse, Gunner on the roster instead.

What's done is done, but I don't see the running game improving like last year even with Wynn back, and unless Harry becomes an instant deep threat option, the passing game is too one-dimensional.

Think we can agree that we can pour cold water on the D carrying games. Fortunately 1st half schedule was easy enough to allow an 8-0 start, but imo the next 4 games present enough of a challenge the team could easily go 2-2. Regardless, playoffs will be tough with current team make up.

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This is a contender for worst take of the season

JMC00 said:

This is a contender for worst take of the season

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It's an opinion not a take. Learn how to use words if you want to be taken seriously.

1. Apparently the 49ers went after sanu before Sanders. So there has to be a reason he was more sought after. Mb contract and health.

2. Wish we would stop mentioning antonio brown. He is unemployed for a reason. The Seahawks looked into him and said no which tells you the league has said this guy is not playing.

TheRainMaker said:

I’d be very surprised to see someone with a straight face say Sanu is better.

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He is just looking for attention. Him calling posters homers is hilarious. Nobody here likes him

Kdo5 said:

Have we not had a big enough sample size to realize that Dorsett does not stretch the field? All I hear about is his speed but I rarely see him with much separation on deep routes.

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Agreed. I'll also add that while he has great hands and catches almost everything thrown his way, he's terrible with the ball in his hands after the catch. He rarely gets YAC yards, falling down instead . . . a little Brandon Lloyd-esque.

JMC00 said:

This is a contender for worst take of the season

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Think he makes sense.

Biffins said:

Think he makes sense.

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While I didn't agree with everything he said, I've definitely seen way worse takes than his. I could see why he, or anyone who agrees, would see things the way they do.

venecol said:

It's an opinion not a take. Learn how to use words if you want to be taken seriously.

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Semantics.

Bedard's Breakdown II: Mohamed Sunu's productive night was fine, but just leave it at that for now | Boston Sports Journal

Bedard thinks 10 catches for 81 yards and a TD isnt enough for Sanu....such a horrible analyst

but to the mediots...the midling to no production we got from Gordon we are going to miss..

Hard to see watching on tv though I am sure the all 22 people could tell us.
It appeared several Sanu receptions were the result of him breaking off the route.

Ladypatsfan said:

Really wish Gronk had come back. I really miss him now. I don't believe a rooky can fill the void Gronk left behind in the offense.

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If Gronk was still on the team, people would bitch about how slow he is and that he misses multiple games.

jimnance said:

That's the ONLY thing those two have in common.
The cat dude is probably the most ridiculous poster on this board.
BTW, where the HELL is OTG?

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Explain...

PatsFan2 said:

May be they should simplify the Offense some to help a lesser guy like Harry.

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So I guess Harry is Filbert in your eyes...or the fat kid?

Dagg said:

He wasnt brought here to be a deep threat.

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I didn't know Al Davis could post from the great beyond when I read a lot of posts folks continue to repeat regarding vertical offense.

"Deep threat" is code around here for elite WR. There is an extremely vocal clique that truly believes that everything that ever happens with every Patriots team will simply be solved by a HOF wide receiver.

The Patriots offense has plenty of deep threats by scheme, not by foot speed. When they dink and dunk enough and the defense starts to flood the short zone they'll get almost any of their receiving options behind the defense on a particular play.

Every game you'll see Watson in the seam, White on the out and up, or even Edelman on a skinny post 25-30 yards downfield (and many times with enough separation for a throw too) on particular All-22 views, but there's no concentration on the LT letting the DE get pressure not allowing the play to develop or Brady having to step to the side taking his eyes off downfield into the shorter area because of said pressure.

Every aspect of team has an impact on the desired result of a deep throw - not just the WR. There could be a play fake required by the RB, being able to step into a throw to give it the necessary loft and velocity, the intermediate routes run correctly to try and move the defense into position, the OL having and executing the right protection...yet somehow a WR is always the fix.

SammyBlueCat said:

Explain...

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I think he meant the "Felix the Cat" avatar poster - PatsFan2

TheRainMaker said:

Sanders is a better player than Sanu. There’s no arguing that.

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Absolutely there's a discussion to be had.

Surely you're referring to who is the better player right now, since ultimately that's all that matters.

Who's the better blocker? Sanu.
Who's more durable? Sanu.
Who's bigger and more physical? Sanu.
Who's younger? Sanu.
Who has an additional year on their contract? Sanu.
Who's coming off an achilles tear? Sanders.

All of these variables go into who the better player is/will be, especially when taking a macro, long-term, team building approach.

Sanders is a great player and I have no doubt he would have succeeded here had we traded for him. I'm not convinced that he'd be significantly better here in NE than Sanu will be.

PScottman said:

I didn't know Al Davis could post from the great beyond when I read a lot of posts folks continue to repeat regarding vertical offense.

"Deep threat" is code around here for elite WR. There is an extremely vocal clique that truly believes that everything that ever happens with every Patriots team will simply be solved by a HOF wide receiver.

The Patriots offense has plenty of deep threats by scheme, not by foot speed. When they dink and dunk enough and the defense starts to flood the short zone they'll get almost any of their receiving options behind the defense on a particular play.

Every game you'll see Watson in the seam, White on the out and up, or even Edelman on a skinny post 25-30 yards downfield (and many times with enough separation for a throw too) on particular All-22 views, but there's no concentration on the LT letting the DE get pressure not allowing the play to develop or Brady having to step to the side taking his eyes off downfield into the shorter area because of said pressure.

Every aspect of team has an impact on the desired result of a deep throw - not just the WR. There could be a play fake required by the RB, being able to step into a throw to give it the necessary loft and velocity, the intermediate routes run correctly to try and move the defense into position, the OL having and executing the right protection...yet somehow a WR is always the fix.

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Just win baby!

Never did I say anywhere that a deep threat is an elite wide receiver and quite frankly that isnt true. Is Ted Ginn Jr or a Mike Wallace an elite wide receiver...NO but they are deep threats because of speed. They threaten the defense on deep routes mainly due to their speed.

That tends to open up the underneath since a safety would have to respect the deep threat. Sure anyone can go deep Edelman, White etc but that is not the same as being a deep threat. A deep threat is someone with great speed/size/jumping that consistnently runs deeper patterns and will help open it up for the under guys. Edelman and White make their living in the middle of the field and outside on short routes.

A deep threat can also be size based and a great leaper in the vein of a Dez Bryant (not overly fast) or a Mike Evans (great size and leaping but not speed) You are describing schemes to get deep not the definition of a deep threat.

dreighver said:

Absolutely there's a discussion to be had.

Surely you're referring to who is the better player right now, since ultimately that's all that matters.

Who's the better blocker? Sanu.
Who's more durable? Sanu.
Who's bigger and more physical? Sanu.
Who's younger? Sanu.
Who has an additional year on their contract? Sanu.
Who's coming off an achilles tear? Sanders.

All of these variables go into who the better player is/will be, especially when taking a macro, long-term, team building approach.

Sanders is a great player and I have no doubt he would have succeeded here had we traded for him. I'm not convinced that he'd be significantly better here in NE than Sanu will be.

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I'd say that while all the things you have said are true, Sanders is clearly a better choice. He is a more dynamic receiver.

venecol said:

To think that almost 2 months ago we had the potential to dress JE11, Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, and Antonio Brown at WR, but chose to keep Izzo, LaCosse, Gunner on the roster instead.

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Let me ask this question: given that Belichick himself has said it's hard to win a SB even when everything goes right, do you think he intentionally wants to make moves that make it less likely the team will win Super Bowls?

I think with both Brown and Gordon it was simply that the headaches got to the point that they outweighed the positives.

PatsBoy12 said:

Agreed. I'll also add that while he has great hands and catches almost everything thrown his way, he's terrible with the ball in his hands after the catch. He rarely gets YAC yards, falling down instead . . . a little Brandon Lloyd-esque.

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I mean if you think Dorsett is not somewhat elusive then I am not sure what to call Brandin Cooks. Because Cooks was multiple tiers below Dorsett when it comes to elusiveness.

In most of the WR screens going to Dorsett he made the first man miss.

I think you are conflating the routes he is getting with some kind of judgment about his after catch ability.

It is difficult to do anything after the catch when most of your receptions are throws towards the sideline or require you stretching out.