I refuse to believe Brian Flores is this dumb

Up 11 points, 3rd & 20 from the 45 with less than 30 seconds in the half and he sends an all out blitz?

No way he's that dumb. Might as well just come out and say they're tanking at this point

Flores is a rookie coach but has a lot of experience. Hard to say. Could have been a blown assignment from #25.

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He is anything but dumb. He is competing with the Bengals and Jets.

PS the nfl needs a damned lottery

JMC00 said:

Up 11 points, 3rd & 20 from the 45 with less than 30 seconds in the half and he sends an all out blitz?

No way he's that dumb. Might as well just come out and say they're tanking at this point

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Are you the only person that doesn't know they are tanking?

neuronet said:

He is anything but dumb. He is competing with the Bengals and Jets.

PS the nfl needs a damned lottery

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No thank you...that ****ing NBA lottery cost us Duncan...yeah still pissed 20+ years later.

mgcolby said:

still pissed 20+ years later.

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Rightfully so.

I don’t believe there’s tanking as a few NFL HOF’s have come out and said that when they had a losing season, players start playing for themselves - especially guys who weren’t star players trying to keep their jobs.

TheRainMaker said:

I don’t believe there’s tanking as a few NFL HOF’s have come out and said that when they had a losing season, players start playing for themselves - especially guys who weren’t star players trying to keep their jobs.

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Not the players but the front office can weaken a team with an eye towards a number one draft pick. I suppose the coach can be onboard but they'd have to give him a few years to turn things around.

JMC00 said:

No way he's that dumb. Might as well just come out and say they're tanking at this point

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If Flores is tanking, he’s one good actor. That dude acted like he was going to kill all of the officials when they reversed the Fitzpatrick QB sneak for a first down. It’s been awhile since we’ve seen someone freak out like that on the sidelines.

TheRainMaker said:

I don’t believe there’s tanking as a few NFL HOF’s have come out and said that when they had a losing season, players start playing for themselves - especially guys who weren’t star players trying to keep their jobs.

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I think tanking in the NFL was extremely rare if it even happened at all until a few years ago. Now it's certainly happening. I think it works in the NBA, but I don't think it's a good idea in the NFL. There are so many players and it's such a team game. You need to coach guys up and develop the right attitude, work ethic, and culture. Just look at the 2000 and 2001 Patriots. Belichick needed to find the right players and get them to play the right way. They were bad in 2000, but they did not tank and won a championship the next season.

The owner and gm may want to lose games trading away good players but the players and coaches on the team don’t because they will lose their jobs if they performed poorly and who would want them afterwards.

Miami was one step below life support under the previous Gase tutelage, and Flores got rid of a lot of players so he could build a team that he envisioned...

I expect what he has done here and if he gets the first round pick, so be it.. Miami will have a lot of new rookie players will be difficult for a seasoned, proven coach never mind one in his second year..

It is difficult to change the Miami NFL culture..

I am fine with them tanking, they are giving the effort on the field for most of the game, they don't have the talent to compete 60 min and win. They are a couple of qbs that have star written on them at this point at least in the nfl draft, and I like that teams trade players who don't want to spend years rebuilding when their careers are so short.

I think the league may step in again and try to help NY again like they did in 64 and in 79. Having two of the worse teams in NY, the largest market is not a good thing for the league.

He’s not intentionally losing games, especially with all the stigma behind Belichick assistants failing as HC’s out there. He has pride and he wants to win, it’s just nearly impossible with the players he has to trot out there week after week.

As much as they want a good draft pick something tells me he still doesn’t want 0-16 on his resume

NashuaPats said:

I think tanking in the NFL was extremely rare if it even happened at all until a few years ago. Now it's certainly happening. I think it works in the NBA, but I don't think it's a good idea in the NFL. There are so many players and it's such a team game. You need to coach guys up and develop the right attitude, work ethic, and culture. Just look at the 2000 and 2001 Patriots. Belichick needed to find the right players and get them to play the right way. They were bad in 2000, but they did not tank and won a championship the next season.

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Agreed. Not only that, I think the instances of can't miss, sure-fire, franchise altering players in the NFL are way lower than in the NBA, where one super star means your team is a championship contender for the next ten years. Look at the Colts: They tanked for Luck, got him, and while they did fine with him, they never sniffed a title and now Brissett has them atop their division anyway. Tanking just isn't a regularly viable strategy for making a team better. At best you can say that getting the "next great QB" is a guaranteed marketing bonanza for at least a few years.

neuronet said:

He is anything but dumb. He is competing with the Bengals and Jets.

PS the nfl needs a damned lottery

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No it doesn’t.

Dumb like a fox

Flores was a good assistant coach for the Patriots. TBD if he is a capable NFL HC.

NashuaPats said:

I think tanking in the NFL was extremely rare if it even happened at all until a few years ago. Now it's certainly happening. I think it works in the NBA, but I don't think it's a good idea in the NFL. There are so many players and it's such a team game. You need to coach guys up and develop the right attitude, work ethic, and culture. Just look at the 2000 and 2001 Patriots. Belichick needed to find the right players and get them to play the right way. They were bad in 2000, but they did not tank and won a championship the next season.

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You have to go back 15 years of drafts to find a #1 who actually played on a SB winning team.

15 years. And that was career mediocrity (except for 8 weeks) Eli Manning.

#1's are vastly overrated commodities.....are they good to have? Sure. But should a franchise tank an entire season and send good middle class players away to get one? Absolutely NOT.

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