Demaryius Thomas says he was insulted/disrespected by Patriots.

jah · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
What does that have to do with the fact that Watson was cut and re-signed, now making $1m less than he was prior?

If your employer fired you because they did not see a spot for you, and then changed their mind a week later and called you back saying, "actually, we need you now, but we're only going to pay you 60% of your previous salary", you'd feel a tad disrespected, no?

The fact that other employers didn't want to hire you during that 1 week period when you were unemployed wouldn't make you feel any less lousy about the situation.

I don't blame the Patriots and BB for doing what's best for the team, but I also wouldn't blame Watson (or DT) but feeling disrespected.

I'm not sure if it's just that lots of posters here are actual management in their real life jobs or maybe being a sports fan creates a sense of pro-organization entitlement. Either way, sports fans love to ignore the employer-employee dynamic. Watch some ******* reply to this with "bbbbut if you're making that much money you don't have the right to complain about anything!"

JMC00 · Oct 17, 2019

mgteich said:
know a lot of folks think that DT isn't very good, but he is better than Gunner and likely better than Meyers.

I laid this out in an above post. You may think he's better than them but Belichick made it very obvious having Meyers & Gunner on the 53 and developing them was a better decision for the Pats organization than having Thomas for 8 weeks and releasing him when Harry was able to return. Because Thomas was gone if Harry was healthy to begin the season.

LJRomanoff · Oct 17, 2019

robertweathers said:
The down-the-road question is will Harry represent an upgrade over DT. Who knows.

This is not going to age well.

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

mgteich said:
Even simpler, if DT were here (and no AB experiment), DT would be taking WR reps instead of Gunner.

I know a lot of folks think that DT isn't very good, but he is better than Gunner and likely better than Meyers.

To put it another way, if DT were available, we'd sign him in a heartbeat, perhaps even trade a 6th for him.

Gunner (at present) is slightly more a WR than Slater.

He was in there last Thursday only because Harry is on IR, Dorset was out and Gordon was out.

He'll go back to being a ST'er very soon. Let's not imagine it as if Gunner is the chosen #5 WR please. The only reason he is on the team is that they are trying to preserve Edelman from doing PRs.

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bresna · Oct 17, 2019

dreighver said:
What does that have to do with the fact that Watson was cut and re-signed, now making $1m less than he was prior?

If your employer fired you because they did not see a spot for you, and then changed their mind a week later and called you back saying, "actually, we need you now, but we're only going to pay you 60% of your previous salary", you'd feel a tad disrespected, no?

The fact that other employers didn't want to hire you during that 1 week period when you were unemployed wouldn't make you feel any less lousy about the situation.

I don't blame the Patriots and BB for doing what's best for the team, but I also wouldn't blame Watson (or DT) but feeling disrespected.

Again with this $1 Million pay cut. He is only under contract for the 10 remaining games. $1.5 Million is what 10 games pays out on a $2.5 Million, 16 game contract. He's getting the same per game salary as he was before.

On his original $2.5 Million contract, he was being paid $156,250 per game. On his new $1.5 Million contract for 10 games, he will be paid $150,000 per game. Close enough for me to believe that it's not an issue for Ben.

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
You're probably right. I'm just remembering all the WRs this offseason the Pats were purportedly interested in (Beasley, Tate, Humphries, et al) that decided to go elsewhere, not all because of money.

It pains me to say this, but who was your buddy jumping to for a mere $9 million when others would've offered far more?

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Vatahala · Oct 17, 2019

Interesting that there is no DT thread at GG forum.

I thought that many posters would praise DT for disparaging the Pats.

I also thought there would be some Jets fans upset that he might have provided bulletin board material to the Pats.

They're too busy arguing whether they will finish the season 9-7 or 10-6.

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

JMC00 said:
It wasn't even Brown, that was just something that presented itself after the fact that Belichick had already showed that had N'Keal Harry been healthy to start the season Thomas would have been gone.

Seems to be that the decision was really between Gunner & Thomas. At one point during cutdowns it was reported that Gunner would be cut but then Belichick changed his mind. Harry had to be on the 53 to be able to go on IR-DTR.

So really Belichick was of the opinion that keeping and trying to develop and bring along UDRFA Meyers and Gunner was a better option than keeping Thomas until Harry was able to return. This was all before Brown was even an option.

Demaryius Thomas wasn't going to return punts. You're comparing Apples to Plums.

Gunner is here for one reason. Edelman Preservation.

Thursday night (and perhaps this Monday night) he is the WR option ahead of Slater.

Gordon-Edelman-Dorset-Harry-Meyers. Meyers has a bigger long-term upside than DT at this point (not this year, but perhaps something to build upon for the 8th, 9th and 10th banners)

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bormio · Oct 17, 2019

shmessy said:
Gunner (at present) is slightly more a WR than Slater.

He was in there last Thursday only because Harry is on IR, Dorset was out and Gordon was out.

He'll go back to being a ST'er very soon. Let's not imagine it as if Gunner is the chosen #5 WR please. The only reason he is on the team is that they are trying to preserve Edelman from doing PRs.

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He had 2 catches for 34 yards - more catches than Slater’s entire career I believe.

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

bormio said:
He had 2 catches for 34 yards - more catches than Slater’s entire career I believe.

He still needs a LOT of seasoning and building up of his body - - he looks like a tennis player out there. Definitely a developmental type and I'd think the Pats can be patient with him.

Overall, I'd like to see Meyers develop into a steady player in the next 1-2 years and Gunner in 2-3 years. Because of injuries, etc, Edelman didn't become Edelman until his 5th year. Troy Brown also.

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MrBigglesWorth · Oct 17, 2019

They basically paid him to rehab... It's a 2 way street

Froob · Oct 17, 2019

I think there’s reasons he could appreciate the Pats but, can’t be mad that he feels like he was better than other guys that stayed. It’s confidence.

RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

shmessy said:
Gunner (at present) is slightly more a WR than Slater.

He was in there last Thursday only because Harry is on IR, Dorset was out and Gordon was out.

He'll go back to being a ST'er very soon. Let's not imagine it as if Gunner is the chosen #5 WR please. The only reason he is on the team is that they are trying to preserve Edelman from doing PRs.

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Gunner has surpassed Slater by a wide margin. He already has doubled Slater's career catch total

Vindicate · Oct 17, 2019

DT would salivate at being able play here again, though. Lol. He's just salty he's on a bad team. He should be focused on making the most of it, provided he can get himself a decent contract if he's good enough.

Dude wouldn't have made much on the stat sheet if he was here while AB was.

I dunno. At first I felt like we did him dirty, but considering we traded in division, to our nemesis, you could say we made sure it was an amicable transition.

Whatever.

RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

LJRomanoff said:
This is not going to age well.

Who knows. Most likely not.

Oswlek · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
You answered you're own question, except that you attribute the mistake in planning to good fortune instead of the fact they brought in players that altered the scheme that MB would work in.

If I answered my own question than no mistake was made.

If you think a mistake was made, what exactly was it? What should NE have known at the time Bennett was acquired?

shmessy · Oct 17, 2019

robertweathers said:
Gunner has surpassed Slater by a wide margin. He already has doubled Slater's career catch total

That says more about Slater as a WR than Gunner.

Hopefully, the kid can develop into a decent WR in 2-3 years.

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RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

shmessy said:
That says more about Slater as a WR than Gunner.

Hopefully, the kid can develop into a decent WR in 2-3 years.

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Who knows. He needs to get a bit bigger. Personally I think he has a shot to be a OK WR4. 15-20 or so catches a year...

Oswlek · Oct 17, 2019

JMC00 said:
So really Belichick was of the opinion that keeping and trying to develop and bring along UDRFA Meyers and Gunner was a better option than keeping Thomas until Harry was able to return. This was all before Brown was even an option.

Not really. Thomas was only cut in lieu of Meyers and Gunner because he wouldn't pass through waivers. It had nothing to do with which player is the "better option".

Once Brown came on board, then DT was a still-recovering 4th/5th receiver who didn't play special teams. He was a luxury the team would likely have preferred to keep, but just didn't have the room.

And before a comparison is made to Meyers and Gunner, had all gone to plan, both Meyers and DT would have been regular inactives and Gunner would only be a PR. In that situation, of course you keep the young guys who are signed beyond this year. And you do it even if you think DT is the best receiver.

IcyPatriot · Oct 17, 2019

“Yeah, look, Demaryius is a great kid. I have a ton of respect for him. He was very professional and did everything we asked him to do,” Belichick said. “Our circumstances changed a couple times in that period leading up to when he was traded. So, I feel like I was always truthful with him but things changed and therefore what I said was not the same as what it was, what I’d said previously. So, it is what it is.”

Bill Belichick: ‘I was always truthful with’ Demaryius Thomas

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