Demaryius Thomas says he was insulted/disrespected by Patriots.

Ring 6 · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
I would have kept DT and not signed AB, which is what DT was expecting.

Both DT and Ben paid for the AB fiasco. DT lost his spot, and he said he wanted to contribute. Ben took a $1M hair cut to make up for the $5M+ cap hit created by AB.

Patriots f%^ked up by signing AB and then prematurely releasing him, and the ripples it created. Just because we all support the team and want them to win, doesn't mean we can't be critical of some of their decisions. They do make mistakes.

In hindsight since brown was going to shoot his way out of town never signing him would have been smarter.
I was referring to the implication that Belichick treated Thomas poorly.
He wanted him on the team then someone better became available. It happens.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Oct 17, 2019

Trade me to the Jets?!?!

JMC00 · Oct 17, 2019

I'm sure it felt like a big waste of time to the Patriots as well.

They take an injury flier on him when no one else even showed interest in him, then he's on PUP most of camp, finally gets cleared late in pre-season and goes out and tweaks his hamstring and misses Week 1 because of it. There is also the fact that Pats saw him in practice and it was the point where had Harry not been injured Thomas showed nothing to the Pats to beat out Jakobi Meyers or a Division II CB turned PR/WR. Let that sink in for a minute, what Thomas showed (or didn't show) had him on the bubble and to the point where Belichick thought the better move would be to keep Gunner to be the PR and last WR on the depth chart than keep Thomas.

Oswlek · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
Let's no kid ourselves, as good as they are. these guys make mistakes.

Agreed. No one says otherwise.

venecol said:
What we can say is this was not very good planning. These guys are supposed to be experts, they pick up pieces based on known qualities, and based on how those qualities can be applied to the game plan or overall defensive philosophy. They obviously miscalculated somewhere.

But again you invent a mistake that isn't there. How is it poor planning to trade for a good player at a position of need and then have good fortune elsewhere make that player less useful?

Mack Herron · Oct 17, 2019

Bourne Again Christian · Oct 17, 2019

Mack Herron said:

In Gunner we trust.

Oswlek · Oct 17, 2019

JMC00 said:
Belichick thought the better move would be to keep Gunner to be the PR and last WR on the depth chart than keep Thomas.

You're overstating your case here. Thomas is a decent WR who got caught in a numbers game, no more, no less.

luuked · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
I know you're an expert in these things but just don't see how you can say:

Gunner a/o Meyers >> DT

That's just nonsense.

I never mentioned Gunner. If you move the goalposts away from a talk about "veterans being disrespected" to this at least don't try to artificially strengthen your argument.

Also I don't think it is nonsense to say that Meyers had been outplaying DT at that point in time because of the additional he had with Brady and the offense while DT was rehabbing. This is not 2014 DT, he is not suddenly appearing out of nowhere.

And to bring this back into the original conversation about veterans and contracts. Meyers is cheap, has upside AND is under contract for another couple years. All of this is going into the equation about roster spots.

JetFan79 · Oct 17, 2019

Mack Herron said:

Jets just know how to use a WR better than NE.

No worries. It's just a coach/QB thing. Every team can't be the best.

luuked · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
I would have kept DT and not signed AB, which is what DT was expecting.

Are you serious ? You would have kept a WR who has been regressing before he tore his achilles last year instead taking a chance at making it work with AB ?

You take that chance 10/10 times.

venecol · Oct 17, 2019

Silver Blue&Red said:
But it's a business.
That's why they win.

All the parts must fit.
There are only so many spots to fit players in. It's a harsh business, but it is a business

Agree, no doubt. Part of the business however is the employer image it projects. The biggest assets of this business are the players. Let me give you a probably not so good example:

You're looking for a job on LinkedIn, and you see several that look interesting. You look further and see ratings from former employees. One of them gets 2 stars (place has poor management, no room for growth, no training, throw you under the bus, place sucks), which is shocking because its a national firm. You will definitely take that into acct in your decision to apply or not.

Clearly the Pats are a top notch organization with a winning culture, which as fans it is awesome. However, as a business they are clearly ruthless. May be a reason why they had a tough time getting WRs to come here this offseason, is all. It is a factor, that fortunately hasn't affected the winning culture.

Honestly, just making an observation.

PatriotsReign · Oct 17, 2019

I read the article and frankly, I don’t give a f***.

As a matter of fact, I’m GLAD Thomas feels disrespected. That kinda stuff pleases me

PatsDeb · Oct 17, 2019

Mack Herron said:

It was only a mistake because AB didn't work out and Gordon got hurt (and I am one of the ones who wanted to keep DT until I knew what was happening with the AB signing). We can all point out mistakes with 20/20 hindsight. Had BB known what was going to happen in the next month, he probably would not have made the trade. And saying you were insulted/disrespected by the Pats? C'mon man! They took a flyer on you, only traded you because they thought they were getting a world class receiver in his prime, and even then traded you to a place where you were reunited with your OC whom you like, and who has given you good playing time. Sheesh. I bet a lot of NFL players who are on the street wish they were disrespected like this.

Bourne Again Christian · Oct 17, 2019

BB the GM is killing BB the coach
Too soon?
I hope we can at least win one game this season if not do you think we will draft Tua or trade him for a bunch of picks?
Also anybody know anything else if the efforts to keep the team in New England is paying off?
How many signatures are we at?

Crazy Patriot Guy · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
Agree, no doubt. Part of the business however is the employer image it projects. The biggest assets of this business are the players. Let me give you a probably not so good example:

You're looking for a job on LinkedIn, and you see several that look interesting. You look further and see ratings from former employees. One of them gets 2 stars (place has poor management, no room for growth, no training, throw you under the bus, place sucks), which is shocking because its a national firm. You will definitely take that into acct in your decision to apply or not.

Clearly the Pats are a top notch organization with a winning culture, which as fans it is awesome. However, as a business they are clearly ruthless. May be a reason why they had a tough time getting WRs to come here this offseason, is all. It is a factor, that fortunately hasn't affected the winning culture.

Honestly, just making an observation.

I just don't think there's a lot of NFL veterans out there that are going to think twice about signing with the Pats because they now see the example of a guy being traded after an all pro WR was suddenly available for cheap.

Honestly, is there a team out there assuring their players their roster spot will be iron clad even if Michael Thomas is cut next week?

Kasmir · Oct 17, 2019

Triumph said:
Exactly what I posted after the Pats had an agreement with Thomas to return.

Watch Thomas have a huge game this Monday.

What's your favorite team?

Ring 6 · Oct 17, 2019

I’m pretty new here but it strikes me that I don’t think I’ve seen a single person complain about the Thomas situation before Mehta decided to write about feelings and how mean those big bullies in Foxboro are and now this is evolving into a lynch bb thread for some people.

is that how it works around here?

venecol · Oct 17, 2019

Oswlek said:
But again you invent a mistake that isn't there. How is it poor planning to trade for a good player at a position of need and then have good fortune elsewhere make that player less useful?

You answered you're own question, except that you attribute the mistake in planning to good fortune instead of the fact they brought in players that altered the scheme that MB would work in.

Look, for us fans its all good, the D is awesome. Obviously something went wrong with Bennett, from what I've read it doesn't seem to be his fault. So if it's not his fault, then either something wasn't planned right or the plan changed, which are both a mistake in the original plan, albeit one that may work better.

RobertWeathers · Oct 17, 2019

venecol said:
Lol so Meyers is an All Pro WR?
Is it too early to induct him in the Pats Hall of Fame?

I do agree with your last sentence.

I should have added average, veteran WRs w/ no upside.

PatsDeb · Oct 17, 2019

Ring 6 said:
I’m pretty new here but it strikes me that I don’t think I’ve seen a single person complain about the Thomas situation before Mehta decided to write about feelings and how mean those big bullies in Foxboro are and now this is evolving into a lynch bb thread for some people.

is that how it works around here?

Pretty much, for certain people. Keep reading around and you'll be able to determine who's who. Just ignore those folks who drive you crazy and you'll be fine.

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