Jeff Howe: Pats in market for a WR and TE

As great as harry could be i worry about him being injury prone for the simple fact that he always has a corner in his hip everytime he makes a catch. I still have concerns aboutt his speed.

Patsgofor4 said:

Please stop it with your BS. If your guy Dorsett did this you would faint from the force of your spontaneous ejaculation.



The only WR currently on the Pats roster with the size and physical ability to make these type of catches regularly is Gordon and Harry made these type of plays, or better, all the f-ing time in college. What he does in those two plays is exactly what the Pats offense needs right and IF that is the type of WR he can be week to week he will absolutely make an impact.

Time will tell but there sure as sh*t drafted him at the end of round 1 with the expectation that he would contribute in a big way this year and even with the lost time I suspect that BB and JMD disagree on your no/low impact prediction.

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BS is pretty heavy to summarize a post that, at it's worst is pessimistic, but really just being honest. History is a good thing to reference here, which shows the trend of rookie WR's having an incredibly difficult time here.

There were other names getting more attention in camp over him, he was described as being all over the place - making fantastic catches, dropping easy ones, producing one day, doing nothing the next - and then he gets a bad injury, hasn't built that Brady trust that is rarely afforded to rookies, and more.

It's not BS if it's true, and you can literally verify everything Deus listed.

That being said, it's okay to be overly optimistic about a binky of yours, or have high hopes. Just doesn't mean you need to call someone's factually backed commentary as BS.

Deus Irae said:

The thing is....


He didn't look particularly good in the few preseason plays he played, and that small sample of "meh" is being wildly overrated. In the meantime, he's missing week after week of game time, as a rookie WR, which means that his development is being curtailed. It's insane to pencil him in as anything but a low/no impact player. Anything he gives is gravy. That doesn't mean he's already a bust, or that he'll never be an NFL level player, or anything like that. It just means that the circumstances are what they are.

It would be great it he returned to the field and was a monster, and it's not impossible that such could happen. It's just very unlikely.

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He played a few downs, was targeted twice, made two catches for 36 yards including one jump ball over the defender catch. I would not equate that to meh.
N'Keal Harry goes over defender for catch

moosekill said:

He played a few downs, was targeted twice, made two catches for 36 yards including one back shoulder over the defender catch. I would not equate that to meh.

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Given the lack of separation against the competition he was facing, I would.

Vindicate said:

BS is pretty heavy to summarize a post that, at it's worst is pessimistic, but really just being honest. History is a good thing to reference here, which shows the trend of rookie WR's having an incredibly difficult time here.

There were other names getting more attention in camp over him, he was described as being all over the place - making fantastic catches, dropping easy ones, producing one day, doing nothing the next - and then he gets a bad injury, hasn't built that Brady trust that is rarely afforded to rookies, and more.

It's not BS if it's true, and you can literally verify everything Deus listed.

That being said, it's okay to be overly optimistic about a binky of yours, or have high hopes. Just doesn't mean you need to call someone's factually backed commentary as BS.

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The BS that I was referring to was the part of his quote that I put in bold, which is why I put it in bold. It is, in fact, total BS that “he didn’t look very good in the few plays that he played” or that those two catches in his limited snaps were “meh”.

I do give him credit for an “at best pessimistic” post. That’s more optimistic that 90% of his posts.

Is Denver trading? I would love sanders, but they are fighting to get their season back on track. They are better than the 2-4 record would indicate. Division looks Wide open. Denver can win that game Thursday, they should keep sanders if they win

Getting Watson back is an upgrade at TE. If a trade can't be made for another receiver, I'd like to see Meyers getting more playing time. There's something special about the kid.

Vindicate said:

History is a good thing to reference here, which shows the trend of rookie WR's having an incredibly difficult time here.

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Please elaborate on the incredibly difficult time first round WR talent has here.

Everyone mentions history but ignores the projected talent difference between Harry and most of the other rookie WR that has come through Foxboro.

moosekill said:

He played a few downs, was targeted twice, made two catches for 36 yards including one jump ball over the defender catch. I would not equate that to meh.
N'Keal Harry goes over defender for catch

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Yes. I'm not sure what Deandre Hopkins or Julio Jones would have done differently on that play. If you say the sample size is very small ... fair enough. But to call it "meh" is harsh.

Patsgofor4 said:

The BS that I was referring to was the part of his quote that I put in bold, which is why I put it in bold. It is, in fact, total BS that “he didn’t look very good in the few plays that he played” or that those two catches in his limited snaps were “meh”.

I do give him credit for an “at best pessimistic” post. That’s more optimistic that 90% of his posts.

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OK, so you're just being a troll. Got it.

luuked said:

Please elaborate on the incredibly difficult time first round WR talent has here.

Everyone mentions history but ignores the projected talent difference between Harry and most of the other rookie WR that has come through Foxboro.

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It's just been pretty easy to notice that rookies have a hard time here. Being a first rounder certainly comes with higher expectations, so being hopeful makes a bit more sense. And like I said, it's totally cool to be that. But to not be cautious about that could very well be disappointing come game time. That's all I'm saying.

It certainly does not hurt if Patriots can pull a #2 WR via trade.

Patsgofor4 said:

What he does in those two plays is exactly what the Pats offense needs right and IF that is the type of WR he can be week to week he will absolutely make an impact.

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Yes, a complaint about the scarcity of Harry's preseason plays is valid. But it isn't debatable that he flashed quite a bit in the few plays he had.

Oswlek said:

Yes, a complaint about the scarcity of Harry's preseason plays is valid. But it isn't even debatable that he flashed quite a bit in the few plays he had.

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Of course it's debatable. What is wrong with you people that you can't just acknowledge the obvious about the kid?

Deus Irae said:

Of course it's debatable. What is wrong with you people that you can't just acknowledge the obvious about the kid?

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Fair enough. I have two impressive catches in a half dozen snaps. What evidence do you have for your position that he didn't flash?

luuked said:

Please elaborate on the incredibly difficult time first round WR talent has here.

Everyone mentions history but ignores the projected talent difference between Harry and most of the other rookie WR that has come through Foxboro.

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You are correct about that point.

I think it’s more frustration about the draft in general at the WR position. True, this is the first time Belichick has taken a WR in the first round. Chad Jackson was fairly close to the same draft slot though second round. Most of their WR picks are, based on draft position odds, worse than a coin flip to succeed. It’s the way they end failed so spectacularly though (Dobson, Tate, Jackson, Price come to mind) as to not even stick as a third option type of guy. So much talk all the time about so-and-so “is going to break out” but never actually happening.

But it’s only fair to treat Harry as an isolated case. Each player is different.

Hmm

Froob said:

Hmm

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Trade for the frustrated beast

Froob said:

Hmm

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Froob said:

Hmm

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Someone better tell me something today? Is he waiting to be traded?