When can N'Keal Harry practice?

TheRainMaker said:

You don’t think Wynn will be able to hold it down when he returns?

That’s what Gordon looks like now.

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It’s just strange that a guy whose 28 and doesn’t have all that wear and tear is having problems getting separation. Idk what’s going on with josh.

Harry should be one of the players coming back from IR, the offense is depleted , at this rate Edelman will get banged up by thanks giving. He is a 1st round pick, fast and tall receiver , put him out there I don't wanna know how familiar he is with the offense, you spent a 1st round draft pick, use it.

MrBigglesWorth said:

That's the debate... Keeping him it would be all ponies and rainbows or keeping him would have eroded the locker room. I personally wish he never came

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Come on, man. That's not the debate when you're claiming he would be negatively impacting the growth trajectory. Just from his one game, that was obviously not true.

Don't go full Shmessy on us. Never go full Shmessy.

Triumph said:

You cannot count on Harry when he has not proven himself.

Every Patriots season there is a RB or WR waiting in the wings to save the day and every season the guy busts.

Hope is not a plan.

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Better plan than despair. You make Harry's availability sound like a problem.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

It’s just strange that a guy whose 28 and doesn’t have all that wear and tear is having problems getting separation. Idk what’s going on with josh.

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People are saying he's about 240 which is about 15 pounds heavier than he used to be. I wonder if that extra weight is slowing him down. Otherwise, I don't understand why he'd lose a step either. He spent the offseason working on his speed. Perhaps, it's a nagging injury.

mgteich said:

You expect us to get to the AFCCG with Edelman, Myers, and Gunner as our WR's, and with our blocking TE being the worst in the league, and with no FB? with Newhouse as our starting LT? Really?

That was yesterday's team.

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6-0 and starting to panic already MG. You need to broaden your interests a little and relax. This is an offense that is clearly in transition because of injuries and retirements. But consider this. This is a team that can go .500 from this point on and still have a shot at a bye week in the playoffs (11-5).

Last year year the team didn't find their offensive "identity" until after the Steeler game. That was game 14. Today we are 9 days away from game 7. Kind of early to be concerned about the WR corps we had on the field for game 6.

Have no fear. Harry can start practicing on Monday, and I have no doubt that he will. It seems like Gordon and Dorsett's injuries are relatively short term (1-3 weeks). Give that group a month to work it out and going down the stretch and into the playoffs you end up with a WR corps of Edelman, Harry, Gordon, and Dorsett, with Myers a reasonable 5th. That might not be the best WR group in the NFL, but its top 10.

Here's my concern. It's the TE's and FB. Not so much of their effect on the passing game, but the run game. Izzo is a willing and a much better receiver than we thought, but he ain't no Gronk as a blocker....at least not at this point. LaCosse can't stay on the field for us to even figure out what we have as at TE, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him IR'd pretty soon.

And then their's the FB situation. We had 2 and now we have none. I love Devlin, but Harry and Wynn are more critical to the team and its future than he is. I COULD see the argument that Devlin would be more important to this year's team than a #4 rookie WR, but not with our injury situation at the position. Easier to find a replacement FB in FA than a first round talent WR. Besides its a neck injury on a player who's job description is literally "human battering ram" . No assurance he'll be ready even if that's the way they want to go.

My guess is Ben is back on Monday. Harry will start practicing and a FB is signed to the PS (Maybe that kid from Tx we had in camp). I'll be OK with that scenario for now. Lots of dislocations for the offense so early in the season, MG, plenty of time to smooth out the operation. Plenty of time.

While the Pats offense is a concern and injuries are a wild card their defense is a major strength. This team has flaws but so does every team in the conference and the Pats would be favored over any other team at home.

we need 40+ catches from him

Deus Irae said:

Come on, man. That's not the debate when you're claiming he would be negatively impacting the growth trajectory. Just from his one game, that was obviously not true.

Don't go full Shmessy on us. Never go full Shmessy.

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For two weeks he took snaps away so c'mon man you. Those snaps would've gone to the rookies or dt. By signing ab it through part of the roster out of wack.

C'mon man

TinhWoodhead said:

we need 40+ catches from him

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That would break the single-season record for rookie WRs in the BB era.

Probability: 1%

MrBigglesWorth said:

For two weeks he took snaps away so c'mon man you. Those snaps would've gone to the rookies or dt. By signing ab it through part of the roster out of wack.

C'mon man

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What the hell are you talking about? For two weeks, the roster was much better, and much more advanced. Saying that signing him threw that part of the roster out of whack is insane.

With AB, that part of the roster is

AB
JE
JB
PD
JM


Without AB, that part of the roster is

JE
JB
PD
JM
GO


That's a huge drop off at the bottom of the WR grouping, because of the loss of AB, not because he was there. The slotting is impacted from top to bottom.

Deus Irae said:

What the hell are you talking about? For two weeks, the roster was much better, and much more advanced. Saying signing him threw that part of the roster out of whack is insane.

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You realize he's not in the roster right?

MrBigglesWorth said:

You realize he's not in the roster right?

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Obviously. You realize that's not the issue, right?

mgteich said:

As an announcer said last night, this is the worst supporting cast to Brady in many years, if not ever.

IMO, we won't be in the AFC championship game with last night's team.

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This may be one of Brady's worst supporting casts at wide receiver, but it's one of his best on defense. The totality of this team is more primed for an AFC championship appearance than the 2018,2013, 2015 and 2011 Pats teams.

I said that yesterday's team couldn't do well in the playoffs. Yes, I believe that Wynn will do fine.

TheRainMaker said:

You don’t think Wynn will be able to hold it down when he returns?

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Deus Irae said:

Obviously. You realize that's not the issue, right?

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Sorry clearly you are an ab apologist who can't realize that caused releasing dt... And likely watson. Very little caproom now. Brady and crew basically took the preseason off... Ton of injuries and roster turnover... No surprise they are functioning the way they are... But they'll figure it out

Deus Irae said:

What the hell are you talking about? For two weeks, the roster was much better, and much more advanced. Saying that signing him threw that part of the roster out of whack is insane.

With AB, that part of the roster is

AB
JE
JB
PD
JM


Without AB, that part of the roster is

JE
JB
PD
JM
GO


That's a huge drop off at the bottom of the WR grouping, because of the loss of AB, not because he was there. The slotting is impacted from top to bottom.

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It's because he left... Having him in the first place caused roster havoc

I guess that I won't clear. I was speaking about yesterday's team, without Wynn or Harry, and with Dorsett out, Edelman injured and Gordon injured.

patfanken said:

6-0 and starting to panic already MG. You need to broaden your interests a little and relax. ..

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MrBigglesWorth said:

It's because he left... Having him in the first place caused roster havoc

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Nonsense. What you're posting doesn't even begin to make sense.

Having him didn't cause roster havoc. Having him led to a better roster, where the WR group was significantly improved, by just one addition.

What you're trying to argue is that having him was a 1:1 with losing him. That's obviously not true. Cutting him was a choice, not a requirement.

MrBigglesWorth said:

Sorry clearly you are an ab apologist who can't realize that caused releasing dt... And likely watson. Very little caproom now. Brady and crew basically took the preseason off... Ton of injuries and roster turnover... No surprise they are functioning the way they are... But they'll figure it out

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You're jumping all over the place.

While you claim it's about "realizing", it's about speculating. And, yes, I've speculated that cutting AB, and thus needlessly re-creating a holw at WR, may have led to the need to let Watson go.

Lastly, the Patriots didn't sign Brown until September, after the team had gone through the entire offseason and had set the roster. So adding one WR at that point, and that WR being the team's new WR1/WR2, sure as hell didn't cause roster havoc.


If you want to rail against Brown, rail against him for legitimate reasons. He's a jerk with a temper issue, doesn't pay his bills, and may be a criminal in regards to his behavior towards at least one woman. But, if you want to cry about so-called roster havoc, that's where railing against Kraft, for making the decision to needlessly cut Brown before all the evidence was available, comes in.

Sure whatever... Ab didn't screw with the roster or cap.. think what you want