Pats @ Bills all-22 rewatch thread

masterbouncer said:

Hyde made also a great read and play there, gotta respect that too

people here seem to blame Meyers for Brady forcing it to Edelman

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For the last time, if Meyers was doing what he was supposed to be doing, Micah would not have had the luxury of staring at Brady and then peeling off for the INT.

And that's the last time I'll address this play.

KontradictioN said:

Meyers definitely has a lot of blame in that one. You played football at a high level. Higher than the vast majority of us, I’d bet. You should be able to grasp route concepts. What are the chances he ran the correct route in that down and distance and that situation, with Edelman coming across the back of the end zone? Slim to none. Then, to make matters worse, he dogged it. All that does is make whatever throw Brady is trying to make that much harder.

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I went back and looked at the clip SEVERAL times and K, we are NOT looking at the same thing at all.

In fact the more I looked at it the less I thought it less a bad throw by Brady and much more a great drop off by Fitzpatrick. If I was to blame Brady for anything on that throw it was not holding Fitzpatrick to stay on Meyers, allowing him to drop off into the pass. If he hadn't I think it would have been a TD.

Why you have latched on to Meyer as the culprit in the play is quite astounding to me. He ran his out route to the sideline. What more did you want him to do?

PP2 said:

For the last time, if Meyers was doing what he was supposed to be doing, Micah would not have had the luxury of staring at Brady and then peeling off for the INT.

And that's the last time I'll address this play.

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And just WHAT was he "supposed" to be doing, Bill?

patfanken said:

I went back and looked at the clip SEVERAL times and K, we are NOT looking at the same thing at all.

In fact the more I looked at it the less I thought it less a bad throw by Brady and much more a great drop off by Fitzpatrick. If I was to blame Brady for anything on that throw it was not holding Fitzpatrick to stay on Meyers, allowing him to drop off into the pass. If he hadn't I think it would have been a TD.

Why you have latched on to Meyer as the culprit in the play is quite astounding to me. He ran his out route to the sideline. What more did you want him to do?

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Not that it matters but its Micah Hyde.

PP2 said:

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That's not gonna work against teams like Cleveland, Baltimore, Philly, Dallas or KC.

patfanken said:

And just WHAT was he "supposed" to be doing, Bill?

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Anything but standing around, and letting Micah push off him. His hand technique is absolutely terrible here- a savvy receiver always keeps a DB off balance. That's what they are good at- the slap, push, shove, yanking, hooking game.

He didn't make any real effort to get into the end zone.

masterbouncer said:

Hyde made also a great read and play there, gotta respect that too

people here seem to blame Meyers for Brady forcing it to Edelman

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If Hyde stays on Meyers, how is that a forced pass?


Edit: PP2 put it better than I did.

luuked said:

Not that it matters but its Micah Hyde.

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I wanted to see how long he'd keep saying "Fitzpatrick".

Deus Irae said:

If Hyde stays on Meyers, how is that a forced pass?


Edit: PP2 put it better than I did.

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if Hyde stays on Meyers? Hyde mentioned Brady was starring at Edelman for half a year on that play, pretty hard to read that Meyers was never an option for Brady and Hyde was going to jump underneath when he was able to..but yeah Meyers was it all the way

They won the game. Not every game will be pretty. They won. Last year this is a game they lose.

patfanken said:

I went back and looked at the clip SEVERAL times and K, we are NOT looking at the same thing at all.

In fact the more I looked at it the less I thought it less a bad throw by Brady and much more a great drop off by Fitzpatrick. If I was to blame Brady for anything on that throw it was not holding Fitzpatrick to stay on Meyers, allowing him to drop off into the pass. If he hadn't I think it would have been a TD.

Why you have latched on to Meyer as the culprit in the play is quite astounding to me. He ran his out route to the sideline. What more did you want him to do?

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First, it’s highly debatable that he was even supposed to be running an out. Second, what kind of out route specifies that you stop and walk backwards to the pylon after getting off the press?

Patstastic said:

Why Cris Carter Believes Patriots Have ‘Some Serious, Serious Problems’

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This is the all-22 rewatch thread, not the Hawt Taek thread. Please take that garbage to another thread, as was requested in the 1st post. I’m enjoying the disagreements and analysis on the Brady pick, not trying to see what Cris freaking Carter has to spew. Thanks in advance.

Do we agree on the INT play that Meyers goes from running a route to blocking just before Brady throws? That's what I see. That could very well be a mistake, of course.

Here's the play again. Must have watched it 40 times..

Gordon is primary target. Somewhat hindsight but Tom should've thrown it to Josh as he was immediately open & didn't look to have anyone in front of him. Put it in front of him to where he catches or its incomplete.

Brady quickly looks mof nothing is there at this time.

He feels Hughes but sees Phillips barreling through. Thats enough to get him off his spot.

He's locked on to 11 from then. Slow it down you'll see Hyde is comfortable & ok w the physicality Meyers is trying to use. Again slow it down & you'll see Hyde locked on 12 from 1 second on.

Meyers was never looking for the ball until real contact was made & he went towards the pylon.

Again Hyde just peels off & makes a play.

Sloppy route by Meyers 100% but Hyde made a vg play.

KontradictioN said:

Thanks. So Meyers rode the pine the entire game after the INT and I didn’t just miss him. That sheds some more light on that play. Very much looking forward to the tape review on that one.

In general, and this isn’t a hawt taek, but with Edelman injured, they need to give it to Sony more often and take the pressure off of Brady. The Bills are no joke and are basically handicapped by their QB play, so I understand that this wasn’t much of an option yesterday. Not with the way the OL was getting whipped up front. But going forward, we need to see more of that.

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I told everyone in the room after the interception "Meyers was supposed to be there", but never saw anything afterward to corroborate my theory so assumed I was wrong. Are you making the same implication?

The Brandon Five said:

That's not gonna work against teams like Cleveland, Baltimore, Philly, Dallas or KC.

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The good news is we would never use that gameplan against those teams.

PP2 said:

Anything but standing around, and letting Micah push off him. His hand technique is absolutely terrible here- a savvy receiver always keeps a DB off balance. That's what they are good at- the slap, push, shove, yanking, hooking game.

He didn't make any real effort to get into the end zone.

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Seems like you and Kontra are forming a sweet mutual admiration society. But it comes off as more as a desperate attempt to prop up your mutual misunderstanding of that play. But there is nothing more I can add that I haven't already said and I hate to repeat myself.....too many times So I will leave the 2 of you to your dual delusion

KontradictioN said:

First, it’s highly debatable that he was even supposed to be running an out. Second, what kind of out route specifies that you stop and walk backwards to the pylon after getting off the press?

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The kind where you go as far as you can go and present yourself as a target for your QB????? It's reached a point where I have to ask, K, what did Meyers do to you? Did he grab your parking spot, break up with your granddaughter, or are you just an SEC fan?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Honestly thought he was going towards 11 since yesterday. Hyde just peeled off his man & made a great play. Easily top 3 defender for the Bills yest.

Gordon was definitely the #1 primary target there tho.

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I feel like a pump fake while rolling right would have made a huge difference in the outcome of that play...or rolling left and going to Gordon who looks like he beat his man to the corner endzone.

masterbouncer said:

if Hyde stays on Meyers? Hyde mentioned Brady was starring at Edelman for half a year on that play, pretty hard to read that Meyers was never an option for Brady and Hyde was going to jump underneath when he was able to..but yeah Meyers was it all the way

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If Meyers had done his job, he would either have been an option for Brady or would have at least forced Hyde to actually stay in coverage against him. As I've said, there's blame to be shared on that play. Using Hyde's comment, when Hyde was only in the position he was due to poor play by Meyers, is a non-response to the specific question I asked.

Brady should have put more air under that ball, if he was going to throw it. Brady should have thrown the ball to Gordon on the other side in the first place. BUT, from looking at the play multiple times and trying to analyze what's there, Meyers should have done his freakin' job on the front right, which would have made it much less likely that Hyde had any involvement in the throw.