Pats @ Bills all-22 rewatch thread

KontradictioN said:

I’ve thought that since I saw it yesterday. Seems very obvious. The question was who was more at fault. Meyers not seeing the light of day after that play is confirming it.

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Just this at PFT. Hyde thinks Brady was throwing to Edelman. It didn’t look that way at all to me since Edelman was rarely used and wasn’t open, and if anything TB may have been trying to look Hyde off before throwing to Meyers. But anyway, another perspective here on what happened on the play.

Micah Hyde intercepted Brady, told Belichick “he was staring him down”

“Micah, did you get that pick?” Belichick asked.

“Yeah,” Hyde responded. “He was staring him down.”

The Bills’ defense had a good game against Brady on Sunday, including on the play in question, when Brady tried to find Julian Edelman in the back of the end zone only to have Hyde leap in front of the ball.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

@luuked
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Did you think on the Brady INT, he was expecting Jakobi Meyers to break in towards the pass? I’ve been wondering about this and no one has been able to answer it any other thread. I’m wondering who you think was more responsible for that INT. The initial “take” was Brady is on the run and uncomfortable and panicked. I saw that Meyers was near the sideline. More miscommunication between those two really bums me out. Does anyone have a gif of that play and have an educated guess on what happened?

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I'll wait to rewatch the clip on that play, unless someone has it and wants to post it. IIRC, Meyerss had inside leverage and was supposed to then break in, or box out Micah, and may have had eye contact with Brady, then second-guessed it and quit on the play and Brady went to the next best thing he saw.

Even if the INT wasn't his fault, one thing was- quitting on the play which gave Micah the green light to break away.

KontradictioN said:

Uh huh. Sure. 56 snaps heading into the game. Over 25% of the offense’s snaps total. Suddenly those take a drastic dip to nada after the INT in a game when we desperately needed someone to get open. And yes, there is a way to know. After our little exchange, I made it a point to watch for him. I didn’t see him once. I used the snap counts to confirm what I was seeing. Keep clinging.

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He had 4 snaps yesterday. That INT happened right before half time. His decrease in snaps had occurred long before Brady threw that misguided pass. Just do the math.

Also him not having any snaps after the INT is not something anyone around here knows for sure. Please keep speculation out of this thread. For that kind of talk we have the post game thread.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

@luuked
@PP2
@KontradictioN
@BaconGrundleCandy

Did you think on the Brady INT, he was expecting Jakobi Meyers to break in towards the pass? I’ve been wondering about this and no one has been able to answer it any other thread. I’m wondering who you think was more responsible for that INT. The initial “take” was Brady is on the run and uncomfortable and panicked. I saw that Meyers was near the sideline. More miscommunication between those two really bums me out. Does anyone have a gif of that play and have an educated guess on what happened?

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My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:



Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:




Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..



and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:




Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.


What happened is pretty straight forward. They had the right call but Brady didn't trust Newhouse to keep the block up long enough for the fade to Gordon, then he rolled out after already feeling uncomfortable and the timer going off in his head and went to his comfort pick which is Edelman.

Unfortunately Hyde was staring him down the entire time and it was an easy pick.

luuked said:

He had 4 snaps yesterday. That INT happened right before half time. His decrease in snaps had occurred long before Brady threw that misguided pass. Just do the math.

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He had 6. That one was his sixth.

Also him not having any snaps after the INT is not something anyone around here knows for sure. Please keep speculation out of this thread. For that kind of talk we have the post game thread.

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People who actually watch more than the ball leaving the QB’s hand know. I watched specifically for him and didn’t see him. He was done after that. Do that same math. This team has a documented history of pulling guys for communication errors like that. This was clearly one of those instances.

luuked said:

My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:

Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:

Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..

and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:

Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.

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Thanks for the breakdown! Looks like he had a pretty good look at Gordon.

KontradictioN said:

He had 6. That one was his sixth

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He had 4.

KontradictioN said:

People who actually watch more than the ball leaving the QB’s hand know. I watched specifically for him and didn’t see him. He was done after that. Do that same math. This team has a documented history of pulling guys for communication errors like that. This was clearly one of those instances.

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I am doing the math. It is basic statistics. If someone has only 4 snaps in total in (maybe) an entire half there is absolutely nothing you can say with statistical certainty about whether he was benched because of a play or not.

If he had 12-15 snaps and then suddenly nothing it is an entirely different story.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

@luuked
@PP2
@KontradictioN
@BaconGrundleCandy

Did you think on the Brady INT, he was expecting Jakobi Meyers to break in towards the pass? I’ve been wondering about this and no one has been able to answer it any other thread. I’m wondering who you think was more responsible for that INT. The initial “take” was Brady is on the run and uncomfortable and panicked. I saw that Meyers was near the sideline. More miscommunication between those two really bums me out. Does anyone have a gif of that play and have an educated guess on what happened?

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Honestly thought he was going towards 11 since yesterday. Hyde just peeled off his man & made a great play. Easily top 3 defender for the Bills yest.

Gordon was definitely the #1 primary target there tho.

luuked said:

My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:

Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:

Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..

and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:

Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.


What happened is pretty straight forward. They had the right call but Brady didn't trust Newhouse to keep the block up long enough for the fade to Gordon, then he rolled out after already feeling uncomfortable and the timer going off in his head and went to his comfort pick which is Edelman.

Unfortunately Hyde was staring him down the entire time and it was an easy pick.

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Thanks, is it possible to create a clip of that play?

luuked said:

My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:

Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:

Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..

and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:

Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.


What happened is pretty straight forward. They had the right call but Brady didn't trust Newhouse to keep the block up long enough for the fade to Gordon, then he rolled out after already feeling uncomfortable and the timer going off in his head and went to his comfort pick which is Edelman.

Unfortunately Hyde was staring him down the entire time and it was an easy pick.

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Newhouse was beaten within 1 sec...and it occurred several times, no wonder Brady panicked all day against the Bills especially in the 2nd half
OL was really bad

This has me absolutely perplexed because Barkley is no longer protected by the RTP rule and KVN is NOT hitting.. could be the blindside rule though..

Sure Barkley fell down but what does he expect from just walking around on a football field during a play?

PP2 said:

This has me absolutely perplexed because Barkley is no longer protected by the RTP rule and KVN is NOT hitting.. could be the blindside rule though..

Sure Barkley fell down but what does he expect from just walking around on a football field during a play?

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Barkley is diving like Neymar out there

PP2 said:

Thanks, is it possible to create a clip of that play?

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Unfortunately don't have any time right now to do much more. Would love to also do one of that final pass Brady threw to White against Milano late in Q4.

He totally missed Edelman open most probably because due to all the pressure, he had made his mind up about using the White/Milano mismatch presnap.

Also looking at that clip. Izzo might end up on the PS relatively soon. There is not much upside to what he is doing as a blocker or receiver so far.

Also I really wonder why White didn't chip the rusher when going out into his pattern. I mean the play was drawn up to go to Gordon so that missing chip on the one player who could potentially blow up a TD seems like a mental mistake.

The upside is that Gordon and White were wide open if the OL would give Brady just half a second more time. Put Wynn there as LT and this is 6.

Meyer turned to block his man instead of continuing his route. Obviously anticipating Brady to turn on the jets and vault into the EZ from five yards out.

luuked said:

Unfortunately don't have any time right now to do much more. Would love to also do one of that final pass Brady threw to White against Milano late in Q4.

He totally missed Edelman open most probably because due to all the pressure he had made his mind up about using that mismatch presnap.

Also looking at that clip. Izzo might end up on the PS relatively soon. There is not much upside to what he is doing as a blocker or receiver so far.

Also I really wonder why White didn't chip the rusher when going out into his pattern. I mean the play was drawn up to go to Gordon so that missing chip on the one player who could potentially blow up a TD seems like a mental mistake.

The upside is that Gordon and White were wide open if the OL would give Brady just half a second more time. Put Wynn there as LT and this is 6.

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Thanks for posting the clip.. wow, what an half-ass effort by Meyers. He is really going to get ripped for that. If he's going 100%, Micah doesn't peel off and intercepts.

Meyers has a lot of bad habits to undo. Probably used to getting by on just talent alone in college.

A must-read. It's a very rare glimpse at how much BB really has the game down to a science.

The fact that they practice accordingly to the launch point tendency of every punter..

I mean.. holy ****.

PP2 said:

This has me absolutely perplexed because Barkley is no longer protected by the RTP rule and KVN is NOT hitting.. could be the blindside rule though..

Sure Barkley fell down but what does he expect from just walking around on a football field during a play?

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The answer:

PP2 said:

Thanks for posting the clip.. wow, what an half-ass effort by Meyers. He is really going to get ripped for that. If he's going 100%, Micah doesn't peel off and intercepts.

Meyers has a lot of bad habits to undo. Probably used to getting by on just talent alone in college.

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Honestly with Harry coming back I am not sure if there is a place for Meyers' on the active roster if he can't make any jumps. From the outside he is developing slower than I would have anticipated. So far he has been a one trick pony with exactly one successful route.

That being said there is plenty of blame to go around more experienced players than Meyers on this specific play.

luuked said:

My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:

Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:

Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..

and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:

Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.


What happened is pretty straight forward. They had the right call but Brady didn't trust Newhouse to keep the block up long enough for the fade to Gordon, then he rolled out after already feeling uncomfortable and the timer going off in his head and went to his comfort pick which is Edelman.

Unfortunately Hyde was staring him down the entire time and it was an easy pick.

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Good. This is a lot more of an honest effort than just “bLaRg BrAdY!!!” In the spirit of this being the re-watch/copy and paste thread, let me try to help you. What stands out to you between pics two and three that you provided? What absolutely jumps off the page from a route concept/down and distance/situational standpoint?

luuked said:

My take is that the goal of the play is to get Gordon on a fade. That's why they motion Meyers away from the left side of the formation:

Gordon then also wins on the LOS but because of pressure Brady doesn't like it even though the fade would be there for the taking if he only had time:

Then clearly wants Edelman, stares him down while Hyde is staring at Brady..

and throws towards the corner of the end zone where Edelman will end up but Hyde jumps the pass:

Meyers has absolutely nothing to do with the play except clearing space and occupying Hyde in front of Edelman. The throw is WAY to high to be a pass to Meyers.


What happened is pretty straight forward. They had the right call but Brady didn't trust Newhouse to keep the block up long enough for the fade to Gordon, then he rolled out after already feeling uncomfortable and the timer going off in his head and went to his comfort pick which is Edelman.

Unfortunately Hyde was staring him down the entire time and it was an easy pick.

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I think that Myers screwed up. He quits on the play where he was supposed to take Hyde out of the picture. By quitting on the play early, he allows Hyde to be free to focus on Brady and the ball and go after it.

Myers has quit on pass plays and Brady before during preseason. I think its over for Myers and he will either get demoted to PS or cut this week.