Bring in competition at Kicker.

Ian said:

With all due respect, I'd like you to also find a kicker to compare him to with as many playoff appearances, which obviously leads to more attempts/potential misses. I think you're being a little unfair from that standpoint.

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Your probably right, but let’s not ignore the
Number of missed extra points he has missed in the playoffs in recent years.

Let’s also not ignore that Ghost admits he has not been good this year.

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

cupofjoe1962 said:

Let’s ignore the fact that even Ghost admits he has been terrible ... the Bruins twins won’t admit it because they have their tongue up his arse.

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

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Also, don't forget, there was context in his performance in the Super Bowl, his grandfather passed away literally the night before and he admitted it was tough on him.

DaBruinz said:

Brady does the same thing. He never throws teammates under the bus. But that's something else you can't be bothered with. Other people pointed this out in the thread already. You'd know that if you'd actually read the thread and weren't re-hashing things just to get some attention.

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Ghost is man enough to admit he had not been good.....

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

I believe he knows more than the Bruins twins.

Ian said:

Also, don't forget, there was context in his performance in the Super Bowl, his grandfather passed away literally the night before.

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So does his grandfather the excuse for multiple seasons?

What about this year?
Is his grandmother ill?

cupofjoe1962 said:

I am still waiting for you to list a kicker who has a worse percentage of missed extra points in the playoffs.

Weren’t you also one of those Hoo-man koolaid drinkers?

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• Simple reality: Gost has the record for most consecutive PATs made.
• Simple reality: Prior to the moving of the PAT, Gost had never missed one in the playoffs.
• Simple reality: Naturally, given the small sample size involved in playoff games, misses will knock a player's percentage down a lot.
• Simple reality: Since the league moved the PAT back, the Patriots have been in the playoffs every year (4 seasons), and have played 11 playoff games, which is, obviously, far more than other teams and kickers.

cupofjoe1962 said:

Your probably right, but let’s not ignore the
Number of missed extra points he has missed in the playoffs in recent years.

Let’s also not ignore that Ghost admits he has not been good this year.

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

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He's missed a TOTAL of 4 XPs in the play-offs. All of them have been since they moved the line back to the 15 yard line. His CAREER % is 95.8. It's 88.6 since the rule change.

Please provide a single player who has attempted even HALF as many play-off XPs since the rule change. If you can't do that, then you really don't have a point, do you?

cupofjoe1962 said:

Ghost is man enough to admit he had not been good.....

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

I believe he knows more than the Bruins twins.

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Gost is man enough not to throw a teammate under the bus. But you don't seem to understand that.

Other posters pointed out the issues in Miami with the holding, but you can't be bothered to actually accept that.

cupofjoe1962 said:

So does his grandfather the excuse for multiple seasons?

What about this year?
Is his grandmother ill?

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But you know why he's been a little erratic this year, don't you? I know he's said he's been terrible, but you do understand there are additional factors contributing with Bailey taking over the holding duties...right?

DaBruinz said:

He's missed a TOTAL of 4 XPs in the play-offs. All of them have been since they moved the line back to the 15 yard line. His CAREER % is 95.8. It's 88.6 since the rule change.

Please provide a single player who has attempted even HALF as many play-off XPs since the rule change. If you can't do that, then you really don't have a point, do you?

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Who has missed more XP, since the rule change?

Belichick thought he had a better chance at a 4th & 13 than letting Ghost try a 47 yard FG in 2007 vs the Giants.

cupofjoe1962 said:

You have no a


Who has missed more XP, since the rule change?

Belichick thought he had a better chance at a 4th & 13 than letting Ghost try a 47 yard FG in 2007 vs the Giants.

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Now you're going back to 2007, and a mistaken choice by BB, as a means of attacking Gost? The moment you typed that, you should have known that you were shooting your credibility right in the head.

A FGA passed up in 2007 has literally nothing to do with what Gost is doing in 2019.

cupofjoe1962 said:

Who has missed more XP, since the rule change?

Belichick thought he had a better chance at a 4th & 13 than letting Ghost try a 47 yard FG in 2007 vs the Giants.

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Dude!! Come on. How did Bill feel during the next 5 Super Bowl appearances? How did Bill and Brady feel during the last Super Bowl?

Misses suck but Ghost has been a solid kicker for this team for a long time.

DaBruinz said:

Fact is that one of those "shanked XPs" was on the holder who didn't get the ball down properly. But, yes. Blame it all on Gostkowski.. Makes total sense. Just like it makes total sense not to take into consideration that Gost has had issues kicking in Miami since 2011.

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More excuses. See you after his fourth missed PAT next week.

Ian said:

But you know why he's been a little erratic this year, don't you? I know he's said he's been terrible, but you do understand there are additional factors contributing with Bailey taking over the holding duties...right?

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A little erratic?
That is a bit of an understatement, don’t you think?

If Bailey is that bad of a holder.... he would have been replaced.

Joe Theisman use to hold for the skins even when he was a starting QB when Kilmer retired.

cupofjoe1962 said:

If Bailey is that bad of a holder.... he would have been replaced.

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Why, and by whom?

cupofjoe1962 said:

Who has missed more XP, since the rule change?

Belichick thought he had a better chance at a 4th & 13 than letting Ghost try a 47 yard FG in 2007 vs the Giants.

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I love how you keep spinning things (changing to FG situations) in some pathetic attempt to show up the people who are using facts to show your opinion to be biased and ridiculous.

Who has missed more XP since the rule change?
Clearly you missed the point about not asking questions you don't know the answers to..

Adam Vinatieri -
2015 - 32/35
2016 - 44/44
2017 - 22/24
2018 - 44/47
2019 - 5/8

Total - 147/158 (11 missed XP) (93%)

Gost
2015 - 52/52
2016 - 46/49
2017 - 45/47
2018 - 49/50
2019 - 10/13

Total : 202 / 211 ( 9 missed) (95.7%)

Last I looked.. 9 missed is better than 11 missed..

cupofjoe1962 said:

If Bailey is that bad of a holder.... he would have been replaced.

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If the issue continues, and if it's determined Bailey is the problem, one would believe he will be. But after the first miss, Gostkowski hit all of his remaining kicks on Sunday so it's likely just a matter of them continuing to work through it.

Angelpats said:

Some of you have no issue blaming Brady for an int, but get up in arms When Ghost gets criticized for a missed kick. No one is even mentioning cutting him or trading, just a critique of some misses.

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Are you kidding me ? Nobody is allowed to critizise the godlike creature that is Brady around here for anything. It is always BBs, McDaniels or whoever else's fault when something goes wrong.

Which is best shown by how the stable geniuses here blame the kicker for missing 1 XP in a game where Brady had multiple pointless turnovers and created a bigger hole than said kicker.

The point -- which you spectacularly miss -- is not to blame Brady but highlight that people are just being selective in their blame here to the most superlative extend expecting flawlessness from some (i.e. Ghost) but find excuses for someone else (i.e. Brady).

The reality is that in most game there are more missed points and opportunities than just a missed XP.

I don't understand why everyone's opinions are mutually exclusive and have to be met with cries of derision.

I agree with the poster who said BB did not trust Gost to make a long FG in the SB in 2007. He didn't.
I agree with the posters who say that Gost has been a solid or great kicker for us for many years and we've been spoiled.
I agree with the posters who say Gost is struggling and is no longer reliable (I started saying this last year after the Miami game).
I agree with the posters who say that there isn't anyone better out there so our Adventures in Kicking are likely to continue throughout the year and we just have to hope it gets better or it doesn't cost us a game. Everyone who is claiming it's the new punter/holder - did you ever think that that was a reason we got rid of Ryan Allen and that is no longer a valid excuse?

Whatever the problem is, it's frustrating to watch easy kicks get missed, which happened in several games last year, 3 out of 4 preseason games this year, and 2 out of 3 real games so far this year.

DaBruinz said:

I love how you keep spinning things (changing to FG situations) in some pathetic attempt to show up the people who are using facts to show your opinion to be biased and ridiculous.

Who has missed more XP since the rule change?
Clearly you missed the point about not asking questions you don't know the answers to..

Adam Vinatieri -
2015 - 32/35
2016 - 44/44
2017 - 22/24
2018 - 44/47
2019 - 5/8

Total - 147/158 (11 missed XP) (93%)

Gost
2015 - 52/52
2016 - 46/49
2017 - 45/47
2018 - 49/50
2019 - 10/13

Total : 202 / 211 ( 9 missed) (95.7%)

Last I looked.. 9 missed is better than 11 missed..

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I was talking playoffs....

Ian said:

it's likely just a matter of them continuing to work through it.

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Purely mental at this point. The more reps, the better.