Bring in competition at Kicker.

DaBruinz said:

Before you try to offer some ridiculous rebuttal about the Denver game, just remember that Vollmer was playing out of position and hurt. Cannon was playing hurt. Blount and Lewis were both on IR. Bolden, White, and Jackson did squat in the running game. Brady threw 2 interceptions. And Jamie Collins got burnt TWICE by Owen Daniels for TDs.. But, yeah.. Blame the loss on Gostkowski.. *SMH*

Click to expand...

There should be a bot that just posts this again and again as soon as someone mentions the XP being the reason for the loss in Denver.

MainePatsFan26 said:

NFL Coaches Are Going For Two More Than Ever. (It Took Them Long Enough.)

Click to expand...

What a great link. This makes me not as worried about Gost. 19 missed kicks during week 2 of the 2018 season.. Maybe more people should read it and figure out that 33 yarders aren't "gimmees"

luuked said:

There should be a bot that just posts this again and again as soon as someone mentions the XP being the reason for the loss in Denver.

Click to expand...

I didn't even mention the fact that the Denver D was Ridiculously good that year..

DaBruinz said:

Could you please provide the actual FACT that XPs were hit at a 95% clip? Like post an actual LINK or do we have to rely on your heresay?

Click to expand...

To me the main issue with this entire claim is that the poster is just comparing outcome percentages and then makes this weird leap that this means the "skill level" of both is the same.

The next time a layup depends on weather conditions, ground conditions, a snapper, a holder and their timing please let me know. There are so many more variables potentially involved in a kick than in a "layup" it is absurd to compare say one is as easy as the other.

Here is a link to all the kickers so far this year. 2019 NFL Kicking Statistics | The Football Database

While Ghost is not having his best start, very few are having a perfect season through 3 games. Also he has not had a miss that has cost the Patriots a game. There are kicker who have and they are still on the team. Yesterday TB's kicker missed a short FG to win.

So I say let's save our whining and crying until it matters. There are some people who can't be happy unless they are unhappy about something.

luuked said:

There should be a bot that just posts this again and again as soon as someone mentions the XP being the reason for the loss in Denver.

Click to expand...

i'm not sure i get people who try to fight this notion...

yeah, all those people were hurt, and yeah, obviously we found a way to overcome ALL that

there's one thing we were not able to find a way to overcome...and XP miss

hence saying Ghost cost us that AFC champ game is legit (as far as you can get to saying something like that in a team game anyways)

I don’t understand how people can’t see what’s right in front of them. He’s struggling.

ALP said:

i'm not sure i get people who try to fight this notion...

yeah, all those people were hurt, and yeah, obviously we found a way to overcome ALL that

there's one thing we were not able to find a way to overcome...and XP miss

hence saying Ghost cost us that AFC champ game is legit (as far as you can get to saying something like that in a team game anyways)

Click to expand...

If Brady doesn't throw what essentially was a pick six to Von Miller inside his own 30 there are 7 fewer points to overcome.

You are just selectively deciding to blame one of the mistakes more than the others because your brain sees the difference of one point on the score board.

Saying Ghost lost the game is just patently wrong. And as another person once said.. you have the right to have all the opinions in the world, but you have no right to be wrong in your facts.

PATSNUTme said:

Here is a link to all the kickers so far this year. 2019 NFL Kicking Statistics | The Football Database

While Ghost is not having his best start, very few are having a perfect season through 3 games. Also he has not had a miss that has cost the Patriots a game. There are kicker who have and they are still on the team. Yesterday TB's kicker missed a short FG to win.

So I say let's save our whining and crying until it matters. There are some people who can't be happy unless they are unhappy about something.

Click to expand...

Thanks for that link.
Looking back at last year. Not a SINGLE KICKER with 36 or more XP attempts who was perfect. Brandon McManus was 35/35 on XP.. There were 1235 XP attempts and 1139 made. That is a 92.2% for the league as a whole. Kinda debunks the idea that the league average is 95% on XP.

ALP said:

i'm not sure i get people who try to fight this notion...

yeah, all those people were hurt, and yeah, obviously we found a way to overcome ALL that

there's one thing we were not able to find a way to overcome...and XP miss

hence saying Ghost cost us that AFC champ game is legit (as far as you can get to saying something like that in a team game anyways)

Click to expand...

The missed XP was in the 1st Quarter. Saying that it cost us the game is like saying the rest of the game didn't matter. That Brady's 2 interceptions had no bearing on the game. That Brady being sacked on 3rd and 3 didn't have a bearing on the outcome because the Pats settled for a FG instead of getting a TD. That the Pats failing to gain a yard on 2nd & 10 and 3rd & 10 on the first series of the 3rd quarter and having to settle for a Field Goal instead of a TD didn't have an impact on the game. That the Pats Punting twice and turning the ball over on downs twice didn't have an impact on the game.

Watch New England Patriots vs. Denver Broncos [01/24/2016] including a live Drive Chart and real-time highlights | NFL.com

I don't see you blaming Brady for the 7 points they gave to Denver via the Interception and the 8 points the offense left on the field by not getting TDs when they were inside Denver's 25.

But, you're perfectly willing to blame Gostkowski for the 1 point from the 1st quarter? Where is the LOGIC in that?

Some of you have no issue blaming Brady for an int, but get up in arms When Ghost gets criticized for a missed kick. No one is even mentioning cutting him or trading, just a critique of some misses.
It’s really sample size. Brady gets 50 or more plays a game, Ghost gets about three chances a game for a fg. If you equate an int to a miss fg (not an xp), then a missed fg is more impactful since the qb gets more chances to make up for that error. Ghost is a good kicker, the best the team can have right now, what’s so wrong about talking about his misses, we talk about Brady’s ints all the time, cordially.

Angelpats said:

Some of you have no issue blaming Brady for an int, but get up in arms When Ghost gets criticized for a missed kick. No one is even mentioning cutting him or trading, just a critique of some misses.
It’s really sample size. Brady gets 50 or more plays a game, Ghost gets about three chances a game for a fg. If you equate an int to a miss fg (not an xp), then a missed fg is more impactful since the qb gets more chances to make up for that error. Ghost is a good kicker, the best the team can have right now, what’s so wrong about talking about his misses, we talk about Brady’s ints all the time, cordially.

Click to expand...

More than one person is saying to cut him or replace him. This entire thread was started on the premise of bringing in someone else as “competition”.

Kdo5 said:

Oh, are you an expert on holding technique? It is always the holders fault I’ve noticed. Never Gostkowski.

I swear he could shank an XP or short kick to lose a Super Bowl and people would still rush in to claim it is the holders fault, Gostkowski has great stats, the offense shouldn’t have let it get to that point etc etc.

Click to expand...

I missed you talking out your rear end here. Guess you couldn't be bothered to notice that I put the blame for one of the missed XPs on Gost. But that doesn't fit your ridiculous rant.

You're another one who seems to have issues with facts.

DaBruinz said:

I missed you talking out your rear end here. Guess you couldn't be bothered to notice that I put the blame for one of the missed XPs on Gost. But that doesn't fit your ridiculous rant.

You're another one who seems to have issues with facts.

Click to expand...

Fact is Gostkowski has shanked three XP’s in two games, more than he missed in his entire 2018 season where people were questioning him even then.

He is quite clearly struggling right now and I hope he gets it fixed because this **** can cost us games against actual competition. He is a concern right now.

Kdo5 said:

Fact is Gostkowski has shanked three XP’s in two games, more than he missed in his entire 2018 season where people were questioning him even then.

He is quite clearly struggling right now and I hope he gets it fixed because this **** can cost us games against actual competition. He is a concern right now.

Click to expand...

Fact is that one of those "shanked XPs" was on the holder who didn't get the ball down properly. But, yes. Blame it all on Gostkowski.. Makes total sense. Just like it makes total sense not to take into consideration that Gost has had issues kicking in Miami since 2011.

DaBruinz said:

WOW.. That's the best you have? The equivalent of a Jr. High insult?

Clearly you're butt hurt over being proven wrong. You're so rattled that your 2nd sentence doesn't make any sense at all.

I think it's hilarious that you drag Bruins29 into this when it was CrazyPatsFan who you were responding to when I quoted you.

It's also hilarious that you run your mouth but can't actually back up your blathering with actual facts. Of course, you'd have had those facts if you had been paying attention to the entire thread since they were mentioned earlier via people posting tweets from Matt Chatham.

Love how you "DISAGREE" with facts. Shows just what everyone has to deal with when you post.

Click to expand...

I am still waiting for you to list a kicker who has a worse percentage of missed extra points in the playoffs.

Weren’t you also one of those Hoo-man koolaid drinkers?

I think the personnel transition is playing a bigger role in this than people think, especially in terms of getting comfortable with Bailey as a holder and Bailey getting used to that duty. But I'd rather have him miss a couple of kicks in September than in December/January.

cupofjoe1962 said:

I am still waiting for you to list a kicker who has a worse percentage of missed extra points in the playoffs.

Weren’t you also one of those Hoo-man koolaid drinkers?

Click to expand...

With all due respect, I'd like you to also find a kicker to compare him to with as many playoff appearances, which obviously leads to more attempts/potential misses. I think you're being a little unfair from that standpoint.

cupofjoe1962 said:

I am still waiting for you to list a kicker who has a worse percentage of missed extra points in the playoffs.

Click to expand...

Considering that you asked that of @Crazy Patriot Guy and not of me, you'll be waiting a long time.

Why don't you answer your own question? I know. Because that would mean you having to do some actual research yourself.

cupofjoe1962 said:

Let’s ignore the fact that even Ghost admits he has been terrible ... because the Bruins twins have their tongue up his arse.

Stephen Gostkowski knows he needs to get better: ‘It was pretty terrible on my part’

Click to expand...

Brady does the same thing. He never throws teammates under the bus. But that's something else you can't be bothered with. Other people pointed this out in the thread already. You'd know that if you'd actually read the thread and weren't re-hashing things just to get some attention.