Antonio Brown

slam said:

We're going to sign that free agent kicker who never misses up to 70 yards and whose kicks always go straight down the middle.

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Carli Lloyd?

lancerman said:

Exactly this.

For one second let's just ignore the actual content. His employer, the overall league, and his cousel all told him not to contact this woman. Not only did he contact this woman, he brought multiple of his friends in to the text chain so they could all engage with her at once.

That by itself is intimidating before you go into some of the dumb stuff he said. It probably doesn't meet any legal definitions or it would be a very grey area case because he was vague enough in what he did. But it was definitley intimindating and harrassment.

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How can a crime be committed it what you did doesn’t meet the legal description of the crime?

patfanken said:

Bitterly disappointed that this thread is still going on. Why???? He's gone. He's gone because his actions WHILE he was here was damaging to "the brand"

He was a $6MM bargain while he was here, and now he'll be a $5MM burden on the cap that the Pats will likely get back in 2020.

That's it. Nothing left to talk about unless you simply want to argue minutia. PLEASE use your energies to create other threads that discuss the Patriots that hare HERE!

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Sorry if you're dissapointed you are being unrealistic. The Pats signed one of if not the premier players at one of the most coveted positions in the league. He was the talk of the NFL off season. He was on this team for 11 days and got cut after sexual assault and rape allegation surfaces, a second accuser of sexual misconduct and finally after sending texts to intimidate one of his accusers. The idea that one day later we would pretend this saga never happened is riddicuous.

Maybe the people who are upset about this thread existing, like the one psycho who admitted to trying to say inflammatory things to get shut down, should just show self control and not enter it.

sambam94 said:

Hill said to his girlfriend that "you should be afraid of me too". Threat? Absolutely...Goodell did nothing..

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Which is why brown will be cleared once the dust settles. I think we just got tired of the clown act and released him.

AndyJohnson said:

How can a crime be committed it what you did doesn’t meet the legal description of the crime?

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It a borderline thing. A judge and jury could read into it and find harrassment and stalking if they wanted to, but it's irresponsible for a lawyer to go straight to criminal charges on something not so cut and dry that could go either way when the easiest recourse was to just go to his employer

Now that he's no longer a Patriots, it does look like overblown PR noise. As soon as it settles down and he stays off social media, someone will offer him a cheaper contract. The NFL is a bottom-line win-now business, a vet minimum contract can easily nullify the paid leave.

I am curious to see if the pats hold on to any of his money or they do nothing.

lancerman said:

It a borderline thing. A judge and jury could read into it and find harrassment and stalking if they wanted to, but it's irresponsible for a lawyer to go straight to criminal charges on something not so cut and dry that could go either way when the easiest recourse was to just go to his employer

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Her attorney knows it was not threatening. The Nfl will investigate this and nothing will come out of it. They have already done their damage.

I, for one, am happy he's gone. Yes, he would have made this team lethal. But I was sick of every story and podcast being about him. I had to sift through to find football news on the Pats. I was exhausted.

BUSTAMOVE said:

Andy. We were both trying to wrap our heads around how this played out yesterday. After the NFL’s statement last night do you think there was a heads up thrown to the Patriots or just a bad exchange with AB? It does not really matter I am intrigued if he shot his mouth out of town or just an accumulation of the controversies

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I think he is an entitled arrogant idiot. And when it was time to receive some form of discipline he acted like an entitled arrogant idiot.
Look at his response to the helmet, the letter from mayock, the juju issues, the Steelers missed practice, pretty much every time he has had conflict.
Why would you assume that when delivered any type of disciplinary comment he wouldn’t take it like a child?

What changed from before practice to after practice? An adult sat don’t with Antonio and said “you’ve find something wrong” and Antonio Antoniod.

Klemco did say another criminal suit is coming..this is why the Pats cut him, IMO

libra957 said:

Now that he's no longer a Patriots, it does look like overblown PR noise. As soon as it settles down and he stays off social media, someone will offer him a cheaper contract. The NFL is a bottom-line win-now business, a vet minimum contract can easily nullify the paid leave.

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I think the Seahawks would be a good fit. Wouldn’t shocked me if the poodle went after him. Idk about KC.

libra957 said:

Now that he's no longer a Patriots, it does look like overblown PR noise. As soon as it settles down and he stays off social media, someone will offer him a cheaper contract. The NFL is a bottom-line win-now business, a vet minimum contract can easily nullify the paid leave.

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Won't happen. The league sent out a memo yesterday saying in so many words, "because Antonio Brown is not on a team, he can't be put on the exemption list, if he was on a team, he would be eligible to be put on it".

Which really means, "don't sign him, he ****ed up, right now we can do an invesitigation at our own pace and not have to worry about it, if you sign him, you'll force our hand and we'll put him on the exemption list and you'll be stuck paying him".

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats in large part released him because they had a lot of money tied up into him and wanted to beat the NFL to the punch by releasing him before he was placed on the exemption list and they were stuck with his contract.

sambam94 said:

Klemco did say another criminal suit is coming..this is why the Pats cut him, IMO

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What criminal suit? If it’s this painter she has to provide evidence. Klemko has been saying this for weeks now. The guy needs to get a life. He’s heavily invested in this.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Her attorney knows it was not threatening. The Nfl will investigate this and nothing will come out of it. They have already done their damage.

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Something being threatening and something being legally actionable are two different things. You get in an argument at a bar with somebody and say "keep talking, see what happens". Yeah that's threatening, but no real lawyer is going to waste time on it unless they have a rich client who just wants to blow money and tie someone up in court.

lancerman said:

Won't happen. The league sent out a memo yesterday saying in so many words, "because Antonio Brown is not on a team, he can't be put on the exemption list, if he was on a team, he would be eligible to be put on it".

Which really means, "don't sign him, he ****ed up, right now we can do an invesitigation at our own pace and not have to worry about it, if you sign him, you'll force our hand and we'll put him on the exemption list and you'll be stuck paying him".

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats in large part released him because they had a lot of money tied up into him and wanted to beat the NFL to the punch by releasing him before he was placed on the exemption list and they were stuck with his contract.

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If you think he would be put on the exempt list you’re smoking. Not even Ben Roethlisberger was put on the exempt list in his first alleged rape case. That was civil!

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

What criminal suit? If it’s this painter she has to provide evidence. Klemko has been saying this for weeks now. The guy needs to get a life. He’s heavily invested in this.

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no, this was after his SI story..a lawyer reached out to him and said he had a client that would be filing a suit. BS? could be sure.

lancerman said:

It a borderline thing. A judge and jury could read into it and find harrassment and stalking if they wanted to, but it's irresponsible for a lawyer to go straight to criminal charges on something not so cut and dry that could go either way when the easiest recourse was to just go to his employer

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No. It doesn’t work like that.
You can’t take the words I use and create implication that is not there in black and white and tell me based upon that assumption it was harassing or threatening.
Threatening REQUIRED THREAT.
Maybe the reason you contacted me was because you wanted me to feel threatened even though you made no threat doesn’t qualify.
This is the legal definition of harassment
Harassment Law and Legal Definition. Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety.

There is no gray area. The elements of harassment are not met.
There is no “course of conduct” it was one flurry of texts that he didn’t even know she read and none of the words amount to any of those elements.

Stalking? You think off series of texts is legally the crime of stalking? Everyone on Facebook is going to jail?

sambam94 said:

no, this was after his SI story..a lawyer reached out to him and said he had a client that would be filing a suit. BS? could be sure.

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I can’t wait to see this. I smell BS but we shall see.

lancerman said:

Won't happen. The league sent out a memo yesterday saying in so many words, "because Antonio Brown is not on a team, he can't be put on the exemption list, if he was on a team, he would be eligible to be put on it".

Which really means, "don't sign him, he ****ed up, right now we can do an invesitigation at our own pace and not have to worry about it, if you sign him, you'll force our hand and we'll put him on the exemption list and you'll be stuck paying him".

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats in large part released him because they had a lot of money tied up into him and wanted to beat the NFL to the punch by releasing him before he was placed on the exemption list and they were stuck with his contract.

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that makes sense..