Antonio Brown

karguy85 said:

As a lawyer, all I can say is that I would be extremely unhappy with my client if he sent those texts.

I'd tell him that he wasn't doing himself any favors.

Besides the public posturing, I'm also pretty sure Brown's attorney is taking this all a lot more seriously than all the Brown defenders here.

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Sad that Patriots fans would defend these actions only because the odds of another Super Bowl championship are greatly increased with AB on the team.

PatsGirl2011 said:

His lawyer was included in the group message.

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Unless his lawyer is a rank incompetent (and given his retainer fee, it's unlikely), I do not think he was pleased to be included.

I'm not an attorney but as a union rep, if I had a dollar for every "ok I have this under control we can win this oh wait why did you just send this email oh god what are you doing" moment...

Triumph said:

I never wanted him from the get go.

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I’ll be honest I never wanted him either. But I was excited as heck when we landed him and hoped it worked out. Still hoping it works out but no faith in that happening.

Todd Bradley said:

I hate to break it to you guys, but he's not getting cut.

Belichick isn't a chicken little who's afraid of the media narrative.

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Give the media narrative a rest; the media simply reported what Brown did.

Brown texted his accuser, included photos of her children, and told her Eric B. was coming to dig up dirt on her. That's stupid, harassing, manipulative, and is entirely his own fault, not the media's.

BB may not care much about the media, but he damn sure cares about Brown's ability to conduct himself in a way that doesn't serve as a distraction to the team.

Brown is not achieving that standard, or anywhere near it, and it's entirely and completely his own fault.

PatsGirl2011 said:

More like than not he didn’t mean to include her in the text exchange. He probably sent her a message initially then started talking to his friends about her not realizing she he added her to the chain. I remember a few months ago a stranger added me to a group message with family and friends. I’ve also been included in emails about me accidentally. It happens.

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Really?

primetime said:

The conduct clause pretty much says exactly that, actually. "Conduct detrimental to the team." That's extremely broad and it doesn't make a difference whether that conduct is legal or illegal in a criminal court. The team essentially has the sole discretion to determine what that means.

And then there's the right of the NFL to suspend and that's also very broad.

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There is still a standard of detrimental to the team.
Unless you are trying to tell me that a player can be suspended or fired because his haircut is ugly and that is detrimental to the team you are wrong.
Detrimental to the team has meaning and there is a standard that must be met.
What he did with those texts comes no closer than a bad haircut.

upstater1 said:

I did. I thought he should have his day in court with the other woman, and I thought they were both lying about what went down, and that the evidence was clear as mud in that case. And after I read the SI article, i wrote that I wouldn't root for him, and didn't care one way or the other if he stayed on the team because I didn't see evidence that rose to the level of cutting/suspending him. In fact, I pointed out that his behavior reflects on a lot of stuff going on in society (though I won't get political here). When I saw those texts last night, I saw a clear attempt to intimidate her (and I don't even need to talk about his stupidity), and that was it. Cut him. Can't have that at all.

Hell, his own attorney threw him under the bus!!!

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You’re a chicken little. There was nothing intimidating. She likely would have had the same reaction if someone aired her dirty laundry. That’s what brown wants to do. She brung this on herself as well so she needs to learn how to take it as well.

AndyJohnson said:

There is still a standard of detrimental to the team.
Unless you are trying to tell me that a player can be suspended or fired because his haircut is ugly and that is detrimental to the team you are wrong.
Detrimental to the team has meaning and there is a standard that must be met.
What he did with those texts comes no closer than a bad haircut.

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This is so disingenuous I don't even know where to start.

Silver Blue&Red said:

Exactly!
I think he's an idiot to put it in print, but I know I would defend my public image.

Just not so intimidating, all over social media.

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Huh? What was intimidating?
Brown didn’t post it “all over social media”. Robert klemko did.
Brian sent private text messages.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

You’re a chicken little. There was nothing intimidating. She likely would have had the same reaction if someone aired her dirty laundry. That’s what brown wants to do. She brung this on herself as well so she needs to learn how to take it as well.

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Sending someone photos of their children and telling them that "Eric B." is coming to dig up dirt on you sure seems intimidating to me.

Put yourself in her shoes and consider Brown telling you that. How would you feel? Perhaps a tad ... intimidated?

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

You’re a chicken little. There was nothing intimidating. She likely would have had the same reaction if someone aired her dirty laundry. That’s what brown wants to do. She brung this on herself as well so she needs to learn how to take it as well.

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Can we take a step back here and look at it from 1000 feet.

For the sake of argument, let's assume her allegations are true. She could be just telling the reporters the truth of what happened to her and how humiliated she felt. If she is telling the truth, she should be allowed to do so without fear of retribution.

That is quite different that Brown texting her, along with others, to try and dig into her history to find anything bad she has done in the past for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating her.

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say.

dreighver said:

Give the media narrative a rest; the media simply reported what Brown did.

Brown texted his accuser, included photos of her children, and told her Eric B. was coming to dig up dirt on her. That's stupid, harassing, manipulative, and is entirely his own fault, not the media's.

BB may not care much about the media, but he damn sure cares about Brown's ability to conduct himself in a way that doesn't serve as a distraction to the team.

Brown is not achieving that standard, or anywhere near it, and it's entirely and completely his own fault.

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It was a group chat! I am sure he took those pictures from her exact social media page. She just aired his dirty laundry. Did she expect him to say nothing?

mosslost said:

wow

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wow what dude? He was an *******. I didn't see that as "threatening her kids". The pictures were of HER and her kids. Granted, the dude is a total *******, but that doesn't make him a criminal. It makes him a total *******. The NFL is filled with assholes and yet they all get paid millions to play football.

Did you even read the actual messages exchange or are you just repeating the talking points on sports radio and the national media, who is running with the same narrative.

Granted, I agree with you that he should be cut by the Pats, but do not agree the league should put him on the exempt list. That would set a very bad precedent. The bottom line is the Patriots do not need this guy to win period, as much as we would all(Me personally too) would love to see TB12 throw TDs to "Moss 2.0" and repeat 07, some of us think we can win a SB without AB as we are just that good.

So you and I agree on some things, but I am not going to pretend that he is threatening her kids here...He feels he is being blackmailed and responded like a young dumb *******....which he is.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

It was a group chat! I am sure he took those pictures from her exact social media page. She just aired his dirty laundry. Did she expect him to say nothing?

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I'm betting his lawyer expected that.

karguy85 said:

Can we take a step back here and look at it from 1000 feet.

For the sake of argument, let's assume her allegations are true. She could be just telling the reporters the truth of what happened to her and how humiliated she felt. If she is telling the truth, she should be allowed to do so without fear of retribution.

That is quite different that Brown texting her, along with others, to try and dig into her history to find anything bad she has done in the past for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating her.

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say.

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Listen i am not saying what he did was right but she got her story published on SI. Did you think brown was not gonna come back at her? Anyone would be pissed. It was already out there. Why did she go to SI?

karguy85 said:

This is so disingenuous I don't even know where to start.

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Pretty bad even for Andy. Don’t engage, you’ll just waste your time.

dreighver said:

Give the media narrative a rest; the media simply reported what Brown did.

Brown texted his accuser, included photos of her children, and told her Eric B. was coming to dig up dirt on her. That's stupid, harassing, manipulative, and is entirely his own fault, not the media's.

BB may not care much about the media, but he damn sure cares about Brown's ability to conduct himself in a way that doesn't serve as a distraction to the team.

Brown is not achieving that standard, or anywhere near it, and it's entirely and completely his own fault.

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Let's give the narrative a rest that Brown is supposed to sit back and casually take the beating he's getting with no facts, no criminal investigation, no nothing. Just here-say and rumors.

Antonio Brown isn't conditioned to sit back and allow lies (his view, real or not soon TBD) to be spread about him. You're naive to even expect that.

AndyJohnson said:

There is still a standard of detrimental to the team.
Unless you are trying to tell me that a player can be suspended or fired because his haircut is ugly and that is detrimental to the team you are wrong.
Detrimental to the team has meaning and there is a standard that must be met.
What he did with those texts comes no closer than a bad haircut.

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An NFL team could terminate you for having a haircut they don't like. There's no standard for either the performance or conduct clause other than what the team says is detrimental conduct or poor performance. And, for what it's worth, most employees (i.e. those without CBAs requiring some sort of due process) can be fired at-will too, so your appeals to other jobs or whatever is also false. US employment law isn't kind to employees; the only real appeal is if termination was on the basis of a protected class.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Listen i am not saying what he did was right but she got her story published on SI. Did you think brown was not gonna come back at her? Anyone would be pissed. It was already out there. Why did she go to SI?

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SI went to her. I really hate this eye for an eye type mentality. It is very possible Brown is the only one that acted inappropriately in their relationship. If that's the case, he should be held accountable. Being accused of something does not automatically make it okay for you to retaliate.

karguy85 said:

SI went to her. I really hate this eye for an eye type mentality. It is very possible Brown is the only one that acted inappropriately in their relationship. If that's the case, he should be held accountable. Being accused of something does not automatically make it okay for you to retaliate.

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She could have said no. Don’t publish it. I bet she got paid for it to be published. It’s always like that.