Antonio Brown

Nike has just dropped AB.

I think this could be a blessing in disguise- if that won't jolt him into cleaning up his act, nothing else will.

NYCPATS4LIFE said:

Deep without any evidence he did those things. If the nfl found anything incriminating this guy would be on exempt list or suspended already.

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Agreed. There must not be anything concrete as of now. Just another agenda to derail what looks like an unstoppable team, no matter the damage to individuals or other entities.

He said she said should be taken with a grain of salt unless some actual evidence is there, and in that case it isn’t a he said she said situation at all.

Froob said:

Has there been a single one of these things that Goodell handled properly?

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Maybe his ****...

Okay Quick Poll (can’t start another thread on this topic)

Would you rather:

A. Have the league investigate, resulting in an indefinite timeframe and the possibility of either exoneration or guilt.

or

B. Take a 6-8 game suspension right now, assuring Brown is back for the home stretch (may miss some critical games though) but throw away any chance of exoneration.

PP2 said:

Nike has just dropped AB.

I think this could be a blessing in disguise- if that won't jolt him into cleaning up his act, nothing else will.

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Wow. Thats pretty significant.

Deus Irae said:

If the extent of your legal knowledge pulling up the revised FBI definition of rape, you need to look a lot further.

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How about passing the California Bar and being licensed to practice law there, would that qualify or should I look further?
PM me and I can send you my Bar Card number to verify.........

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Okay Quick Poll (can’t start another thread on this topic)

Would you rather:

A. Have the league investigate, resulting in an indefinite timeframe and the possibility of either exoneration or guilt.

or

B. Take a 6-8 game suspension right now, assuring Brown is back for the home stretch (may miss some critical games though) but throw away any chance of exoneration.

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I think the league has a problem here. Before all this scandal broke, AB, a very talented, but very troubled player, was a big distraction and likely causing anxiety to the owners because he was able to shoot his way out of town by getting into a fight with his GM and embarrassing his coach (and several other good players, unhappy with their teams, have somewhat followed suit in demanding trades). The owners undoubtedly want to put the kibosh on this behavior from players. The Pats took on AB and already got him to shut up and appear to toe the line, at least so far. This is what the league wanted to happen with AB, whether they'll admit it publicly or not. If they now open some big investigation, when it's pretty clear he is not going to be charged criminally (put me in the camp that if these ladies were going to pursue criminal charges, they would have done so already), he'll undoubtedly go back off the deep end, and they'll be re-opening a can of worms they thought was solved. If I was the NFL, I'd table it to see how things work out in other arenas (or at least hide behind that excuse). If I was AB, I'd be paying the lady off, with an iron-clad confidentiality agreement. Let's see if anyone involved is smart enough to make a "business decision."

Edit "tow to toe"

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Okay Quick Poll (can’t start another thread on this topic)

Would you rather:

A. Have the league investigate, resulting in an indefinite timeframe and the possibility of either exoneration or guilt.

or

B. Take a 6-8 game suspension right now, assuring Brown is back for the home stretch (may miss some critical games though) but throw away any chance of exoneration.

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I dunna know. Not sure I can answer your question directly but i'll try.

I'll try to compare (kind of) it to Tom's situation in 2016. Wasn't guilty obviously but the threat of a suspension during the playoff push scared the crap out of me. What I said then ( I think?) is it's Tom's life. By dropping the appeal wasn't an admission of guilt. He chose not to appeal because of his mom's health situation, the strain of fighting this during the regular season and availability in doubt for games in Dec/Jan/Feb.

Clearly not the same situation nor is AB's importance to the team at Tom's level.

At the end of the day, its ABs life. I can't stand him but if he is truly innocent and can prove it, he should fight. So I guess ,A.

@Patstastic, I don't think thing are looking good for you. I heard someone is accusing you of something deep. After all an accusation is all we need to come to a conclusion like that, right?

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Okay Quick Poll (can’t start another thread on this topic)

Would you rather:

A. Have the league investigate, resulting in an indefinite timeframe and the possibility of either exoneration or guilt.

or

B. Take a 6-8 game suspension right now, assuring Brown is back for the home stretch (may miss some critical games though) but throw away any chance of exoneration.

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Neither.
There is no reason to put him on the exempt list because he has not been charged with a crime, and even if he were everyone charged with a crime certainly isn’t put in the exempt list.

There is no reason to suspend him because there has been no investigation showing he is guilty if anything.

Goodwill may be a moron but the league is smart enough to understand that if you suspend players for UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS then their players will immediately be subjected to blackmail by fake accusers who know if they threaten to make up a salacious story the player knows the story regardless of any basis of truth will get him suspended.
The vultures will come out of the woodwork.

Patsfanin Philly said:

How about passing the California Bar and being licensed to practice law there, would that qualify or should I look further?
PM me and I can send you my Bar Card number to verify.........

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No need, anymore than there's need for me to present mine:

1. State laws vary, and they can differ from federal law and FBI guidelines
2. Case law impacts statutes

AndyJohnson said:

Neither.
There is no reason to put him on the exempt list because he has not been charged with a crime, and even if he were everyone charged with a crime certainly isn’t put in the exempt list.

There is no reason to suspend him because there has been no investigation showing he is guilty if anything.

Goodwill may be a moron but the league is smart enough to understand that if you suspend players for UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS then their players will immediately be subjected to blackmail by fake accusers who know if they threaten to make up a salacious story the player knows the story regardless of any basis of truth will get him suspended.
The vultures will come out of the woodwork.

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This. and This!

Deus Irae said:

No need, anymore than there's need for me to present mine:

1. State laws vary, and they can differ from federal law and FBI guidelines
2. Case law impacts statutes

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Whoa. Arrogant lawyer fight. Get your popcorn.

Deus Irae said:

No need, anymore than there's need for me to present mine:

1. State laws vary, and they can differ from federal law and FBI guidelines
2. Case law impacts statutes

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Absolutely, that is why I cited FBI/Federal. I was responding to a poster who was sure he/she was correct based on what I assume was Black's law dictionary without recognizing as you did, the nuances and differences in jurisdictions and precedent. His contention was that forcible, meant by force and I was posting to show that forcible can and does in some jurisdictions means, " without consent" .
We are on the same page......

Patsfanin Philly said:

How about passing the California Bar and being licensed to practice law there, would that qualify or should I look further?
PM me and I can send you my Bar Card number to verify.........

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Question

If I am not mistaken, a wife can file a complaint vs her husband for rape.

robertweathers said:

I wonder how long it was up on Instagram before the NEP social media watchdogs reached out to ABs social media people.

Over/under 5 minutes?

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Under. Well under.

shmessy said:

Gee....d'ya think this could turn into a pattern with this fella........???????

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Since I'm not on social media, why delete anything if within minutes of deleting it, its still out there. BTW- just my opinion the picture is pretty artistic and I didn't find anything wrong with it.

TommyD4207 said:

Under. Well under.

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Probably. Mrs RW and I receive alerts when our kids post stuff to Instagram/FB, etc so it does take a minute or so to propagate. Then once we review it we'll text/call and say "not appropriate". That is anywhere between 2-5 minutes.

With that said, I can say our teenagers (13,15,17) have 10x the social media self-control/self-awareness than AB does and it didn't take too long to teach them.

Patstastic said:

Things aren't looking good for AB here. These accusations are deep stuff.

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you root for the wrong team.

robertweathers said:

Probably. Mrs RW and I receive alerts when our kids post stuff to Instagram/FB, etc so it does take a minute or so to propagate. Then once we review it we'll text/call and say "not appropriate". That is anywhere between 2-5 minutes.

With that said, I can say our teenagers (13,15,17) have 10x the social media self-control/self-awareness than AB does and it didn't take too long to teach them.

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Can any of your kids rush the passer too?