How does the 2019 team NOW compare to the 2007 team?

OL is a huge concern unless Wynn is OK.

Double TE said:

OL is a huge concern unless Wynn is OK.

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It is officially a huge concern.

neali said:

It's 2 freaking games, but... 2019 Pats 1.5 pts per game, 85 Bears, I think, 12 pts a game. 14 to go.

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In 1997, Drew Bledsoe threw 8 TDs to 8 different receivers in their 2-0 start. Don't recall seeing him come anywhere near 64 TDs (to 64 different receivers). Small sample sizes, yadda yadda.

Regards,
Chris

A position-by-position grouping comparison:

QB - Brady is better now than he was in '07, IMO.
RB - Maroney/Faulk/Morris/Heath Evans vs. Michel/White/Burkhead/Develin....I say a slight edge to the '19 team.
TE - I think Kyle Brady was better than what we have now outside of Watson...and Ben Watson is older now.
OL - Light/Mankins/Koppen/Neal/Kaczur vs. Wynn/Thuney/Karras/Mason/Cannon....I would say even...the left side in '07 was better...but that's just because Wynn hasn't played more than 2 games and Mankins was a pro-bowler. The right side is better today with Mason/Cannon.
WR - Gotta roll with '07...Randy Moss man....and Welker at the very top of his game..Stallworth was no slouch either...we might have more depth today thoug.

The front 7 - Wow...a lot of good players back then...Seymour/Wilfork/Warren/Bruschi/Vrabel/Adalius Thomas/Junior/Colvin...gotta give those guys the edge over today's front 7 although I think Hightower is one of the best LB'ers to ever play for us and I might give the '19 team a nod for depth though.

The secondary - Aside from Rodney Harrison...the '19 team is far better and deeper, IMO.

Specialists - Gostkowski still has the yips, but BB didn't trust him on a long attempt in SB 42. So...'19.

Bleedthrough said:

2007’s 315 Point Differential will never be broken imo

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We’re off to a good start to put up a challenge.

SBLIII said:

Not favorable simply because 2019 Brady won't come close to 2007 Brady. We won't come close to averaging 37 points per game. That being said 30 points per game and a very good defense will get it done, too. Just not at 16-0.

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Why are you discussing only offense when talking about ability to win games? 2019 defense is clearly superior to 2007.

glm said:

3. Randy Moss was traded in 2010, not 2009. Also BB has gone on record saying he didn't trade Randy for any disciplinarian reasons. So no, he didn't get traded because he "gave up." BB said it was a combination of factors and Randy said it was purely business.

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Come on
BB just being a good guy maintaining Moss’ legacy

Redman443 said:

2007 is not 2019

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The average of 2007 and 2019 is clearly 2013.

Thank you.

TommyBrady12 said:

LOL

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It can be argued Moss had a higher peak than Rice. We call Gronk greatest TE ever for same reason and he’s not matching Gonzalez’ volume. It’s not a completely ridiculous thing to say that Moss was the greatest receiver of all time.

XLIX said:

Not to pee in anyone's Cheerios, but I really wish people would STFU about the 2007 team.

It's 2019. The Patriots are 2-0. On to the Jets.

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Then why are you in this thread which says in its frickin title that it’s about a comparison between 2007 and 2019 teams. Noone compelled you to click on it and read it and respond with irritation and indignation.

Deus Irae said:

It's 2 freakin' games.

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2007 team’s 16-0 chatter also started after 2 games

Biffins said:

2007 team’s 16-0 chatter also started after 2 games

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And that was too soon, though it ended up working out anyway. But, at least there, it was because people were looking at something that had, basically, never been seen before. Nobody had known how Moss would look after his play in recent years, and nobody knew just how damn good Welker was, and nobody knew how devastating Brady could be with weapons like that.

Here, we all knew about the ceiling v. floor situation, and we've all already seen what Brady can do. And we also know that the two teams that have given the Patriots problems in recent years (Eagles, Chiefs) are both on the schedule. Here, the unknown was within parameters, and the opponent Steelers (coming off a 9-6-1 non-playoff season) were, unlike the 2007 Chargers (coming off of a 14-2 season), a question mark because of major transition.

Putting up 38 against a team that was 14-2 the previous season was an eye opener. Putting up 33 against a 9-6-1 team, not so much.

Biffins said:

Why are you discussing only offense when talking about ability to win games? 2019 defense is clearly superior to 2007.

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we'll see about that. 2007 defense allowed only 17 per game.

Biffins said:

Then why are you in this thread which says in its frickin title that it’s about a comparison between 2007 and 2019 teams. Noone compelled you to click on it and read it and respond with irritation and indignation.

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I am in this thread for no other reason than to piss you off.

Mission accomplished!

Same owner, coach, qb and stadium....that’s all I got...

mgteich said:

QB - 2007 by far
Offense - call me when we score as much as we did in 2007 (and, yes, it could happen)
Defense - 2019 may be better that 4th in points allowed (or not)
Overall - 2007's point differential will NOT be beaten

So, sure, every SB winner is better that 2007, or not. However, this is only sense in which the 2019 can be considered better OVERALL than the 2007 team, a team which was a fluke play away from being the best team in NFL history.

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So through two games:

2019 - +73
2007 - +48

mgcolby said:

@TommyD4207 so you think the current offense is more explosive and the 2007 defense was better to this point? That's a head scratcher

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Yes.

The 2007 team did not beat their first two opponents 76-3. Factually, it's correct.

i think the delta between the defenses is higher than the delta between the offences (injuries notwithstanding)

therefore i think this team has a very good shot at surpassing 2007s point differential

but we will score less points, and allow less points

i expect this team to allow an average of ~10pts/gm, which is a huge difference from 2007s what 17pts/game?

i expect 2019 offense to score about 5pts/game less than 2007

ya'll forget, the 2007 team started red hot, and finished limping (aside from a game against the bills in the 2nd half of the year if memory serves) where this team, with its early injuries, young talent, etc should improve in the 2nd half of the year...if 2019 keeps on pace w/ 2007 now (ie first 8 games), it will surpass 2007 easy by year's end

regardless i do want to see the team be hot closer to december as that's how you win a SB

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Yes.

The 2007 team did not beat their first two opponents 76-3. Factually, it's correct.

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Nope they beat the first two teams 76-28....hence 2007 Offense more explosive and 2019 Defense better. Both teams were beneficiaries of 2 TDs by defense/STs.

It can get deeper, such as how fast the offense scored, how little time the defense had between drives, number of possessions for the offense, quality of opponent etc. But keeping it simple and factually speaking it proves my point.

2015 is the cautionary tale. That team was absolutely stacked. There was chatter about 16-0 and I believe they were up there with 2007’s offense according to advanced stats like DVOA, until Lewis, Edelman, Blount, Solder, Develin, and Hightower got injured to various degrees, greatly effecting the team. Injuries can really play a huge factor. They started 10-0 and scored 27+ points games 1-9, and then the wheels started to wobble. The 2014 and 2016 teams were magnificent, but I think 2015 was better if it weren’t for the injuries...that was arguably their best team on paper of the 2010s.